Well, yes you can, as has been determined for a very long time, but

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Author: transporting firefighters to/from a.... Date: 4/6/2023 9:38:42 AM +0/-0 Show Orig. Msg (this window) Or In New Window

... fire does not qualify for this exception! If the operation as a whole moves people and or property (equipment) from one location to another, you need a Part 135 Certificate.

A possible exception might be if the operation is considered Public Aircraft, where the government has leased the aircraft to operate as their own. But, there are some real sticky rules about that too.

But, yeah, you can fly people around without a Part 135 certificate, within 25 miles of the heliport and back, without landing anywhere else!

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EMS Cockpit Recorders +11/-16 Why not 4/5/2023 2:16:24 AM

EMS Cockpit Recorders +0/-1 Metro has them. 4/5/2023 4:03:54 AM

EMS Cockpit Recorders +0/-0 LakeLOOn 4/5/2023 8:04:37 AM

EMS Cockpit Recorders - How about vid record (NT) +5/-0 The Medcrew in the back? 4/5/2023 8:05:03 AM

EMS flies under same Part 135 regs. Which FAR are you referring to (NT) +1/-0 that you think separates you from them? 4/5/2023 10:01:57 AM

EMS flies under same Part 135 regs. Which FAR are you referring to +2/-3 You have no clue 4/5/2023 10:47:39 AM

so, 2hen you become civil again, what FAR are you referring to (NT) +1/-0 that sets you apart from EMS? 4/5/2023 12:16:29 PM

so, 2hen you become civil again, what FAR are you referring to +1/-1 It’s not 4/5/2023 12:29:23 PM

so, 2hen you become civil again, what FAR are you referring to +0/-0 HUH 4/5/2023 12:39:39 PM

so, 2hen you become civil again, what FAR are you referring to +0/-0 You think there 4/5/2023 12:46:22 PM

first, as a contractor for USFS, you still require a Part 135 certificate. +0/-2 second, to require such device, 4/5/2023 12:51:38 PM

first, as a contractor for USFS, you still require a Part 135 certificate. +2/-1 The operator 4/5/2023 1:27:31 PM

first, as a contractor for USFS, you still require a Part 135 certificate. +2/-2 No, you’re wrong 4/5/2023 1:28:48 PM

first, as a contractor for USFS, you still require a Part 135 certificate. +3/-0 Correct 4/5/2023 1:30:00 PM

first, as a contractor for USFS, you still require a Part 135 certificate. +1/-0 This will blow your mind 4/5/2023 1:33:10 PM

Actually, that is not exactly true! FAA says if you are transporting +0/-2 firefighters to a fire, you need.... 4/5/2023 10:26:36 PM

Actually, that is not exactly true! FAA says if you are transporting +2/-0 Just stop…. 4/5/2023 10:40:48 PM

Well, you obviously have NO idea how HAA workss (NT) +1/-0 so, in that case, we're even! 4/6/2023 8:53:43 AM

Question is, do YOU have any idea how USFS ops are done? +0/-0 Read this: 4/6/2023 9:54:53 AM

Better link: +0/-0 Anonymous 4/6/2023 9:57:02 AM

Question is, do YOU have any idea how USFS ops are done? +0/-0 Jim 4/6/2023 6:31:29 PM

and we also know that you need to be a Part 135 certificate holder +0/-0 and operate under Part 135 4/6/2023 10:15:50 PM

Well, yes you can, as has been determined for a very long time, but +0/-0 transporting firefighters to/from a.... 4/6/2023 9:38:42 AM

Well, yes you can, as has been determined for a very long time, but +0/-0 please tell us more 4/6/2023 7:24:38 PM

I can lead you to it, but I can't make you read it! (NT) +0/-0 FAR 119.1(e)(7) 4/7/2023 3:16:44 AM

And, FAR 91.147(a) (NT) +0/-0 Anonymous 4/7/2023 3:32:56 AM

I can lead you to it, but I can't make you read it! +0/-0 the implication is 4/7/2023 7:51:29 AM

know it enough to show you what you were asking for! +0/-0 you need a 135 certificate to fly pax! 4/7/2023 9:27:34 AM

know it enough to show you what you were asking for! +0/-0 if only you were a pilot 4/7/2023 10:16:22 AM

EMS Cockpit Recorders +1/-1 already available 4/5/2023 3:02:17 PM

EMS Cockpit Recorders +5/-1 I get around 4/5/2023 3:17:36 PM

EMS Cockpit Recorders +0/-2 Really? 4/5/2023 3:23:23 PM

EMS Cockpit Recorders +1/-0 say wut 4/5/2023 4:05:16 PM

EMS Cockpit Recorders +0/-0 the why 4/5/2023 4:37:56 PM

EMS Cockpit Recorders +0/-1 No one siad 4/5/2023 5:01:03 PM

EMS Cockpit Recorders +0/-0 why are there 4/5/2023 6:14:27 PM

EMS Cockpit Recorders +0/-0 point being 4/5/2023 7:05:00 PM

EMS Cockpit Recorders +1/-6 Really? 4/5/2023 3:32:07 PM

EMS Cockpit Recorders +0/-3 been there, done that 4/5/2023 6:49:18 PM

EMS Cockpit Recorders +0/-0 uh 4/5/2023 6:56:13 PM

ALPA opposes them! (NT) +0/-0 Anonymous 4/6/2023 10:25:41 AM

ALPA opposes them! +0/-0 yeah well 4/6/2023 10:33:36 AM

EMS Cockpit Recorders +0/-2 With 4/5/2023 8:32:58 PM

PHI AMG Has had them for years. +0/-4 But then again 4/5/2023 10:22:00 PM

PHI AMG Has had them for years. +0/-1 interesting 4/5/2023 10:39:10 PM

FOQA / LOSA! (NT) +0/-0 Anonymous 4/6/2023 10:24:45 AM

FOQA / LOSA! +0/-1 Died suddenly 4/6/2023 11:07:48 AM

and that is the biggest reason camera's in the cockpit are (NT) +0/-0 opposed. subject to FOIA requests 4/6/2023 11:32:22 AM

FOQA / LOSA! +0/-1 the camera footage is not 4/6/2023 11:48:07 AM

Until it is! (kind of like how that IIMC vid got aroudn) (NT) +0/-0 Leaky Toilet 4/6/2023 12:09:29 PM

Until it is! (kind of like how that IIMC vid got aroudn) +0/-0 anything can and does get leaked 4/6/2023 12:24:32 PM

Sure you do! That's why there is a 14 hr duty limit (NT) +0/-0 It is just in case situations! 4/6/2023 12:27:50 PM

Sure you do! That's why there is a 14 hr duty limit +0/-0 say wut 4/6/2023 1:07:11 PM

IOW's in spite if your contention they don't do things based on +0/-0 that might occur if.... they wrote many 4/6/2023 1:38:20 PM

IOW's in spite if your contention they don't do things based on +0/-0 uh dude 4/6/2023 1:46:28 PM

You don't work over 14-hrs because something might happen +0/-0 (your premise not to oppose cameras) 4/6/2023 2:05:48 PM

You don't work over 14-hrs because something might happen +0/-0 you have no concept of 4/6/2023 2:31:55 PM

You can absolutely go beyond 14 hours duty time. Feds agree (NT) +0/-0 Just not intentionally 4/6/2023 2:56:18 PM

You can absolutely go beyond 14 hours duty time. Feds agree +1/-0 Absolutely false 4/6/2023 3:03:08 PM

Yeah, OK, ... Doesn't change my point, it only makes it more on point! (NT) +0/-0 Anonymous 4/6/2023 4:20:05 PM

Right, so why are we limiting a Part 135 pilot to a 14-hr duty day? +0/-0 You doing exactly what you're 4/6/2023 4:18:48 PM

Right, so why are we limiting a Part 135 pilot to a 14-hr duty day? +0/-0 no 4/6/2023 5:08:52 PM

Of all the HAA accidents we've had, NONE were because they exceeded +0/-0 a 14-hour duty day!! NONE! 4/6/2023 10:23:07 PM

Of all the HAA accidents we've had, NONE were because they exceeded +0/-0 so what you’re saying 4/6/2023 10:54:36 PM

They used to do teil-end flight with medcrew that exceeded 14 hrs (NT) +0/-0 all the time. Were there any accidents? 4/7/2023 3:39:20 AM

They used to do teil-end flight with medcrew that exceeded 14 hrs +0/-0 probably 4/7/2023 8:10:15 AM

IOW's in spite if your contention they don't do things based on +0/-0 no 4/6/2023 7:16:34 PM

Find an accident in the NTSB database showing it was due to being (NT) +0/-0 on duty more than 14 hrs as the cause 4/6/2023 10:25:00 PM

Find an accident in the NTSB database showing it was due to being +0/-0 I wonder what 4/6/2023 11:15:10 PM

Find an accident in the NTSB database showing it was due to being +0/-0 been there, done that 4/8/2023 10:10:07 PM

Find an accident in the NTSB database showing it was due to being +0/-0 say wut 4/22/2023 3:33:08 AM

FOQA / LOSA! +0/-1 that doesn't look like 4/6/2023 8:46:59 PM

FOQA / LOSA! +0/-1 Peepee 4/7/2023 12:58:27 AM