Like the court ruling said, open time is voluntary

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Author: Just like workover I voluntarily Date: 6/13/2022 5:18:00 PM +0/-0 Show Orig. Msg (this window) Or In New Window

The fact you need to come here and tell (advocate/sell) pilot's the need to change their behavior 5o not puck up any more workovers to get some leverage on the company is exactly the same behavior that earned ALPA DELTP pilot's the court injunction above. It is ILLEGAL for you or anyone to attempt to change the norm, it is a form of a strike/work slowdown when you are in STATUS QUO.

It is not STATUS QUO calling for behavior changes!

Because you are calling for an organized effort here, violates Article 8 of the CBA, which clearly states you can't and you can be terminated without any right to grievance protections for attempting to organize a slowdown. And, that penalty is supported in the Delta vs ALPA court ring above also.

Section 8.1
Neither the Union or any of its agents (stewards) nor any of its members will collectively,
concertedly, or in any manner engage in a strike, sick-out, boycott, sympathy strike, slow down
or work stoppage of any kind during the term of this Agreement. During the term of this
Agreement, the Company agrees not to lock out any of the employees covered by this
Agreement. It is further understood that the duly-authorized representatives of the Union shall
use their best efforts on behalf of the Union to actively encourage the employees engaging in a
violation of this Section to cease such conduct. If the Company knows one of its Customers will
have a primary picket line, the Company will notify the Pilot before dispatching the Pilot to the
location. A Pilot may refuse to take an assignment to cross a picket line if he has reasonable
safety concerns based on verifiable incidents of picket line misconduct at the site. In such
cases, the Company reserves the right to meet Customer needs however it deems appropriate.
Section 8.2
Employees found to be in violation of the terms of this Section shall be subject to discharge.
Such discharge shall not be subject to the grievance procedure or System Board of Adjustment
and Arbitration provisions of this Agreement, except as to the question of whether the Pilot
engaged in such a violation

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Encouraging pilots to not pick up overtime during negotiations is illegal +0/-7 Some reading materials for the stall 6/12/2022 12:50:20 AM

Encouraging pilots to not pick up overtime during negotiations is illegal (NT) +1/-0 Only By Parties To The Negotiation 6/12/2022 1:33:14 AM

or when Unions don't intervene condemning the message (NT) +1/-0 and stopping the rouge unionists 6/12/2022 9:10:34 AM

or when Unions don't intervene condemning the message +2/-0 Rogue, Like The X-Men Super 6/12/2022 4:29:03 PM

Encouraging pilots to not pick up overtime during negotiations is illegal +5/-1 STD trash 6/12/2022 2:17:06 AM

Everyone's selfish! +1/-0 Anonymous 6/12/2022 7:10:40 AM

and profitable since the overtime is plentiful! (NT) +0/-0 Anonymous 6/12/2022 9:11:51 AM

Fantastic! +1/-0 Anonymous 6/12/2022 1:08:35 PM

It's called Status Quo pal, Status Quo! (NT) +0/-0 Anonymous 6/12/2022 1:28:48 PM

and profitable since the overtime is plentiful! +0/-0 You Can Maximize The Profitable 6/12/2022 4:32:31 PM

Or�CUT unneeded management and their bonuses. Worthless investment (NT) +2/-0 Waaay too much management and overpaid 6/12/2022 4:36:44 PM

NOT illegal. A violation during certain points of the process AND +8/-0 ONLY by parties to agreement 6/12/2022 7:22:12 AM

You don't read very well! No wonder you don't (NT) +0/-0 negotiate contracts worth the paper 6/12/2022 9:12:51 AM

Encouraging pilots to not pick up overtime during negotiations is illegal +1/-1 If I were you, bro 6/12/2022 7:53:59 AM

No. It�s not illegal. STOP trying to scare people AMC management (NT) +1/-1 Scare tactics don�t work here anymore 6/12/2022 8:27:42 AM

Scare, isn't that what you are trying to do? Scare the company (NT) +0/-1 into complying with your arm twisting? 6/12/2022 9:14:52 AM

Encouraging pilots to not pick up overtime during negotiations is illegal +1/-0 AMC #5 6/12/2022 11:06:31 AM

Union itself needs to do it, so it's officially discouraged (NT) +0/-0 Otherwise, it's tacit approval 6/12/2022 12:32:26 PM

Union came here to secretly promote this (NT) +0/-0 So this is where it is countered 6/12/2022 12:37:28 PM

Encouraging pilots to not pick up overtime during negotiations is illegal +0/-1 And what 6/12/2022 11:21:25 PM

Encouraging pilots to not pick up overtime during negotiations is illegal +1/-0 Yes, illegal for the union 6/12/2022 4:10:31 PM

Again. Where has the union done this? Haven�t seen anything from the union +2/-1 On workover or work actions. 6/12/2022 4:33:48 PM

Again. Where has the union done this? Haven�t seen anything from the union +0/-1 You should work on 6/12/2022 4:42:53 PM

The union is it's pilot's. Anyone telling anyone else (NT) +0/-2 to do this is Union telling them! 6/12/2022 5:57:38 PM

No. No it�s not�.or you yourself would be complicit in this act based on (NT) +0/-0 Your theory and warped reality 6/12/2022 6:31:32 PM

Simple facts. Refusing OT to inflict hardship on company (NT) +0/-2 is ILLEGAL, regardless who call for it! 6/12/2022 6:52:29 PM

Simple facts. Refusing OT to inflict hardship on company +0/-0 No Employee Can Be Coerced 6/12/2022 6:55:29 PM

What part of �voluntary� do you not understand. Your logic does not apply +1/-0 Thanks to the CBA language. 6/12/2022 7:10:22 PM

What part of court orders do you not understand? (NT) +0/-1 Enjoined! 6/12/2022 9:00:31 PM

What part of court orders do you not understand? +1/-0 Court 6/12/2022 9:38:20 PM

Nope! A pilot is a union member. Thus, one pilot telling another not to +0/-1 pickup OT is same as "union" telling 6/12/2022 5:51:42 PM

Nope! A pilot is a union member. Thus, one pilot telling another not to +3/-0 Status Quo 6/12/2022 5:55:01 PM

Statistically voluntarily! If, historically, they been paying X amount (NT) +0/-1 of OT1 each payday, it shouldn't change 6/12/2022 6:04:06 PM

Nope! A pilot is a union member. Thus, one pilot telling another not to +3/-0 Picking Up Shifts Is Not Status Quo 6/12/2022 5:55:59 PM

Nope! A pilot is a union member. Thus, one pilot telling another not to +0/-0 Status Quo 6/12/2022 6:19:08 PM

Unfortunately, it is: +0/-2 Just STOP with your illegal campaign 6/12/2022 6:39:03 PM

Unfortunately, it is: voluntary overtime +4/-0 Voluntary Overtime 6/12/2022 6:55:20 PM

Status Quo Overtime!! The data proves it! +0/-1 Courts Issue TRO and fine unions! 6/13/2022 7:24:02 AM

Status Quo Overtime!! The data proves it! +2/-0 OT is voluntary 6/13/2022 7:41:59 AM

And also fact: Union's have been fined for discouraging OT during (NT) +0/-0 negotiations. It's bad faith bargaining 6/13/2022 7:49:31 AM

Voting with my feet +1/-0 No problem 6/13/2022 10:19:49 AM

ALL of those references involved mandatory overtime NOT voluntary! (NT) +0/-0 Read much� 6/13/2022 2:44:22 PM

Status Quo Overtime!! The data proves it! +0/-0 I see 6/13/2022 12:05:55 PM

Courts say it is illegal and that air carriers can seek injuctive +0/-0 relief against individual pilots 6/13/2022 1:27:13 PM

OT is voluntary (NT) +1/-0 Voluntary overtime is not mandatory 6/13/2022 1:49:39 PM

Simply not applicable. Courts also say you�re mentally incompetent (NT) +0/-0 Yet here you are 6/13/2022 2:39:25 PM

Courts say it is illegal and that air carriers can seek injuctive +0/-0 Overtime Is Different Than Open 6/13/2022 3:25:07 PM

Workover and Overtime are different. Voluntary is indisputable. (NT) +0/-0 Bring it on�.no one�s scared 6/13/2022 3:51:07 PM

Appears that YOU are the only one making threats and using scare tactics (NT) +0/-0 FYI�it�s not working. It won�t 6/13/2022 4:23:01 PM

Shift coverage on s overtime. Overtime is voluntary. (NT) +0/-0 Should ft coverage is overtime. 6/13/2022 5:01:15 PM

Like the court ruling said, open time is voluntary +0/-0 Just like workover I voluntarily 6/13/2022 5:18:00 PM

Like the court ruling said, open time is voluntary +0/-0 Voluntary 6/13/2022 5:25:29 PM

So is Open Time in the airlines, yet ALPA was cited for +0/-0 their ILLEGAL No Open Time campaign 6/13/2022 5:48:14 PM

Still waiting for you to post the communication from the union calling 4 +0/-0 Any work stoppage or work action 6/13/2022 6:18:22 PM

Just look here! Been posted several times. Union is obligated for +0/-0 to tell its members otherwise! 6/13/2022 6:46:05 PM

So is your mom�.. see (NT) +1/-0 No one cares 6/13/2022 6:16:06 PM

Work over shift coverage overtime +0/-0 All voluntary 6/13/2022 7:59:07 PM

the stall is the appropriate place +2/-0 for your post 6/13/2022 8:18:29 PM

Encouraging pilots to not pick up overtime during negotiations is illegal +1/-0 Encouraging it may be, 6/14/2022 4:24:24 PM

And, that is encouraging it. You are in Status Quo, so (NT) +0/-1 there shouldn't be any hint to do it! 6/14/2022 5:16:21 PM

Voluntary overtime (NT) +0/-0 Is voluntary 6/14/2022 6:55:00 PM

Status quo +1/-1 Status quo 6/15/2022 10:50:00 AM

And, that is encouraging it. You are in Status Quo, so +0/-0 King 6/15/2022 7:59:23 PM

Status Quo +0/-0 So 6/15/2022 8:31:39 PM

Encouraging pilots to not pick up overtime during negotiations is illegal +0/-0 So? 6/19/2022 2:29:13 AM