Msg ID: 2843580 AMC V MTC starting Pay +3/-7     
Author:Who really pays more?
5/5/2025 5:41:22 PM

It seems you will make more at AMC as a float if you can match MTC's base pay.

AMC pays more than MTC in most cases.

AMC pays OT after 40 hours in a week, MTC after 84.

AMC pays 1.5 for travel to/from work, MTC straight time.

AMC pays $500 for an extra shift, MTC $300.

There will be a huge exodus of float pilots from MTC in the future after the bonus is paid out.

It's hard to believe the lies MTC has told float pilot over the last year about being 'Salary Exempt' or 'Salary Non-Exempt'. 

It seems MTC changes a float pilots status on a daily basis depending on what works best for them.

Despite what MTC float pilot offer letters say, their status has being changed to avoid paying them the same as line pilots. 

It's a pity that lawyers are needed to fix this. 

Maybe MTC needs a union?



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Msg ID: 2843581 AMC V MTC starting Pay +5/-1     
Author:Ex AMCr
5/5/2025 7:18:38 PM

Reply to: 2843580

grass is always greener but I left cause of safety reasons, pay means nothing if anyone's life is endangered...



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Msg ID: 2843583 AMC V MTC starting Pay +6/-1     
Author:Nope and nope
5/5/2025 11:36:23 PM

Reply to: 2843581
AMC does not pay OT after 40hrs.


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Msg ID: 2843586 Safety issues +3/-1     
Author:Curious George
5/6/2025 6:26:29 AM

Reply to: 2843581
Such as...?


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Msg ID: 2843590 Safety issues +7/-1     
Author:Ex AMCr
5/6/2025 8:27:17 AM

Reply to: 2843586

leaving wrenches on xmsn decks after major maintenance, being told, "that's what the customer wants", decline a flight due to duty time but being told you can get an extension after your explain why you will go over but they have a spreadsheet showing options A,B, & or C instructing you to take the flight, not putting chip detectors back in after inspections, attempt to decline an LZ cause you feel it's inappropriate but being told, "we land there all the time", forgetting to install essential parts on m/r, giving monetary incentives to AM for in service rates, calling after declining a flight due to thunderstorms, (yet another program took flight)  ignoring AIDMORs documenting said issues. those a only a few I can think of off the top of my head



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Msg ID: 2843592 Safety issues +4/-2     
Author:AMC Pilot
5/6/2025 9:18:15 AM

Reply to: 2843590

I have  been with AMC for over 25 years and never seen any of that. Did you ever think the problem is you.



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Msg ID: 2843594 Safety issues +6/-1     
Author:Ex AMCr
5/6/2025 10:03:03 AM

Reply to: 2843592

I didn't leave a wrench on the deck, I didn't forget to put parts back in the M/R head or put chip detectors back in, I didn't force Med Crews to do stuff they we're uncomfortable with. But you're right, it was me, so I felt it was best to leave as not to bring shame to the company... 



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Msg ID: 2843599 that's not why they fired you (NT) +4/-1     
Author:Anonymous
5/6/2025 10:45:53 AM

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Msg ID: 2843595 AMC V MTC starting Pay +6/-1     
Author:Current AMCer
5/6/2025 10:05:28 AM

Reply to: 2843580

That’s a complete LIE!

AMC in most cases does NOT pay higher than MTC

AMC does NOT give OT over 40 hours for pilots. That’s a complete LIE

AMC does NOT pay $500 for an open shifts, they pay $250

Get your facts straight first my man…. 

AMC does fly 20+ year old airframes

AMC does treat pool pilots like complete garbage 

AMC take on safety is they are all about it, unless it costs too much money

While I agree the grass isn’t always greener, it’s certainly nicer over at GMR. And I say that because I work around 5 GMR bases and talk to their pilots regularly.



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Msg ID: 2843596 AMC V MTC starting Pay +6/-1     
Author:Current AMcer
5/6/2025 10:09:11 AM

Reply to: 2843595

The overwhelming majority of our aircraft don’t even have autopilot or ADS-b in for gods sake. Our company is about 10-15 years behind the ball and seem to be proud of it too 



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Msg ID: 2843616 AMC V MTC starting Pay +4/-5     
Author:Sparky
5/6/2025 6:34:43 PM

Reply to: 2843596

You don't need ads-b (in)

You don't need autopilot.

Auto pilot takes a new pilot and makes them sloppy and lazy and just a passenger on the way to the smoking hole when they have a problem and can't handle it because they been crutching on AP their whole short flying career.


Learn to stick and rudder like our greatest generation pilots did back before AP was even a thing.

Also, Learn to look out the Fk'in windscreen for traffic and quit thinking a transponder is gonna help you from hitting things in the sky.  Paramotors don't show up on ads-b, morons.



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Msg ID: 2843637 AMC V MTC starting Pay +5/-1     
Author:True to a Point...
5/7/2025 5:41:06 PM

Reply to: 2843616

I'm old school, too.  However, the auto-flight systems are to decrease the workload of the pilot so he or she can adequately develop and comprehend dynamic SA and ADM.  Workload or "Task Saturation" is a primary human factor in aircraft mishaps.

Even with auto-flight, most corporate flight departments and all 121 operators have two pilots.  The HAA sector only has one.  The auto-flight system is the second pilot.

V/r



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Msg ID: 2843640 AMC V MTC starting Pay +5/-2     
Author:This might be truly the dumbest
5/7/2025 6:25:29 PM

Reply to: 2843616

Thing I’ve ever read? You really trying to be macho, my generation was better than yours right now. Okay boomer.  So tell me again how flying straight and level keeps your flying skills tip top. And simply telling someone to just look at the window keeps you 100% safe from other traffic?! Dude, these are aides to further assist the pilot! 

My god man, you’re level of stupidity is truly on another level. But I’m sure we will all read about you one day unfortunately 



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Msg ID: 2843645 AMC V MTC starting Pay +3/-2     
Author:Anonymous
5/7/2025 6:49:56 PM

Reply to: 2843640

Keep crutching on the AP.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vHMxob2fbo




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Msg ID: 2843646 AMC V MTC starting Pay +3/-1     
Author:Anonymous
5/7/2025 6:53:08 PM

Reply to: 2843645

Keep staring at them screens.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaIL2UOX4ss




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Msg ID: 2843650 AMC V MTC starting Pay +4/-1     
Author:You’re next level stupid
5/7/2025 7:26:21 PM

Reply to: 2843645

But I’m guessing you’ve been told that a lot in your career.



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Msg ID: 2843654 AMC V MTC starting Pay +3/-1     
Author:lol
5/7/2025 7:51:46 PM

Reply to: 2843650

I'm not the one dumb enough to actually fly on those rattle traps being maintained by Cletus and company.

Who's stupid again?



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Msg ID: 2843655 AMC V MTC starting Pay +3/-1     
Author:Hahahahaha
5/7/2025 7:53:56 PM

Reply to: 2843654

thanks for proving my point. You ain’t even a pilot. Just another weekend warrior that we all gonna be reading about and saying to ourselves, “how dumb is that pilot?” 🤣



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Msg ID: 2843651 AMC V MTC starting Pay +7/-1     
Author:You qualify
5/7/2025 7:36:56 PM

Reply to: 2843616

You might be the first I’ve seen to qualify under all 5. Ads-b and AP are meant to be aides to the pilot to reduce workload and increase situational awareness. How are you even trying to argue this…?! If you are reliant on these to fly, than yes, you’re a terrible pilot. But if you’re somehow implying having these if your aircraft also makes you a bad pilot? Than boy oh boy, please disclose who you are and where you work so I can make sure nobody I know comes any where near you or your aircraft.

https://hartzellprop.com/5-hazardous-attitudes-all-pilots-should-avoid/



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Msg ID: 2843605 AMC V MTC starting Pay +5/-1     
Author::-)
5/6/2025 3:18:29 PM

Reply to: 2843580

We start at about $120K a year. Bumps up to $185 once you hit year two and skyrockets from there. That’s not accounting for any premium, rigs, sit-time, or profit-sharing.  That’s also not accounting for the 17-18% direct contribution to your 401K (the company directly deposits an amount equivalent to 17% of what you made that month into your 401K. That isn’t taken out of your pay… it’s on top of it).  If you’re happy in HEMS, that’s great. There’s nothing wrong with it, and there are ALOT worse jobs out there than HEMS - especially if you live local to your base. But there’s also alot better. Don’t sell yourself short if you want to try something different. You can ALWAYS come back to HEMS (assuming you don’t burn the bridge down on your way out). 

Arguing about which HEMS company pays better or treats their pilots better is like arguing that Burger King makes a better hamburger than McDonald’s. Whoppers and Quarter Pounders BOTH his the spot, but neither of them compare to a steak from Del Frisco’s.



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Msg ID: 2843610 AMC V MTC starting Pay +3/-2     
Author:say wut
5/6/2025 4:08:40 PM

Reply to: 2843605

so who's we and yeah we all know how a 401 works bro



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Msg ID: 2843647 AMC V MTC starting Pay +3/-1     
Author::-)
5/7/2025 6:58:33 PM

Reply to: 2843610

Cool. Glad you know. Very glad to hear there are helo operators out there making direct contributions to their employees funds. When I was in it, the only contribution most would make was a matching one.



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Msg ID: 2843606 AMC V MTC starting Pay (NT) +3/-1     
Author:not PHI for sure
5/6/2025 3:25:12 PM

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Msg ID: 2843725 AMC V MTC starting Pay +3/-1     
Author:oldNtired
5/9/2025 6:06:52 PM

Reply to: 2843606

-), your wings don't rotate, therefore you are not a sky god (little g), if your wings did rotate your would be a sky God ( with a big G) .



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Msg ID: 2843739 AMC V MTC starting Pay +3/-1     
Author::-)
5/10/2025 7:59:02 AM

Reply to: 2843725

Nah. My wings did indeed rotate for years. They still do on occasion on a limited part-time basis for a private owner. You ARE correct though. I am no Sky-god… just a well-compensated, mere mortal. 



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