Msg ID: 2843142 Air Methods (ARCH) +1/-6     
Author:hit a tree last night N880SL
4/25/2025 9:24:32 AM

aircraft totaled, everybody else, bodies bruised and so are egos



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Msg ID: 2843143 Air Methods (ARCH) +1/-4     
Author:say wut
4/25/2025 9:36:34 AM

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sounds like homie misjudged distance from trees. should be plenty of video out there


https://fox2now.com/news/illinois/helicopter-training-crash-in-illinois-crews-on-scene-response/



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Msg ID: 2843145 Air Meat heads (ARCH) +8/-5     
Author:Duder2000
4/25/2025 9:58:02 AM

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There is a considerable lack of skills and knowledge within this industry now. It seems like these ems companies are just scraping the bottom of the barrel, both from a training standpoint and from an employee standpoint. But then again, I look at the fire season I was on, I'm judging by some of the long line skills, the people on the dipsite sight, we're not much better.


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Msg ID: 2843146 Air Meat heads (ARCH) +1/-1     
Author:Truth
4/25/2025 10:00:49 AM

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Because 90% of everyone with a longline now are 0 skilled and inexperienced 



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Msg ID: 2843149 Air Meat heads (ARCH) +7/-4     
Author:Big brain
4/25/2025 11:24:48 AM

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Gosh who would've thought 30 years of good old boys clubs and only hiring pilots with 5,000 hours and not training new meat would lead to this. I personally am shocked.



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Msg ID: 2843162 Air Meat heads (ARCH) +3/-2     
Author:Gordo
4/25/2025 4:28:40 PM

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I'll Drink to that!



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Msg ID: 2843157 Seems the accident rate is way lower than it was, say, (NT) +3/-1     
Author:TWENTY YEARS AGO
4/25/2025 12:52:03 PM

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Msg ID: 2843147 Air Meat heads (ARCH) +3/-4     
Author:Monkey see monkey do
4/25/2025 10:48:10 AM

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Ironic they were there to give an LZ class only to crash on departure…..



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Msg ID: 2843148 Should have instructed the Fire Dept. (NT) +2/-2     
Author:to use bigger LZs.
4/25/2025 11:17:36 AM

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Msg ID: 2843150 Should have instructed the Fire Dept. +1/-4     
Author:Anonymous
4/25/2025 11:30:43 AM

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Can't wait to see the video on this one


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Msg ID: 2843154 Air Meat heads (ARCH) +2/-1     
Author:Rescue1
4/25/2025 12:29:34 PM

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Excellent training for fire department. 



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Msg ID: 2843156 Air Meat heads (ARCH) +1/-4     
Author:just proves only daytime VFR
4/25/2025 12:49:57 PM

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Heli pilots are just not capable



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Msg ID: 2843161 Air Meat heads (ARCH) +2/-1     
Author:say wut
4/25/2025 3:33:25 PM

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yeah yeah every time something happens it's always proof of something or another



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Msg ID: 2843160 Air Meat heads (ARCH) +1/-5     
Author:...
4/25/2025 2:06:02 PM

Reply to: 2843142

Lots of helicopters crashing and burning.  Ignorant career choice.  F that S. 



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Msg ID: 2843175 Air Meat heads (ARCH) +9/-1     
Author:at the end of the day, no fatalities
4/25/2025 9:33:35 PM

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and thats all that really matters



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Msg ID: 2843179 Dang.... Professionals not having a good day +1/-1     
Author:Anonymous
4/25/2025 11:43:45 PM

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https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/10/us/reagan-airport-planes-clip-wings.html





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Msg ID: 2843194 Air Meat heads (ARCH) +3/-8     
Author:pilot
4/26/2025 10:05:40 AM

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Don't know how some feel about this but at my EMS program we do a couple dozen "scene calls" per year. Is it even worth it anymore for us to do them here? NO. We have fire departments setting up a place to land that may or may not be ideal. Then we send a pilot, who may or may not be proficient at whatever time day or night, with a so-called medical crew (THAT in all circumstances is not an Aircrew) to go land and if anything goes wrong we blame that same pilot. Fire Department, Medical Crew never to blame, aircraft manufacturer never to blame, company check airmen never to blame. Not trying to push blame off but why are some of us doing these flights? I get it in remote or mountainous areas where getting to a hospital may take hours but I fly in a huge area where there is a hospital with minutes just about everywhere



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Msg ID: 2843203 Air Meat heads (ARCH) +5/-1     
Author:wow!
4/26/2025 11:34:44 AM

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My program flies nearly 600 flights a year and 85% are scene calls. Just goes to show how different each program is.



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Msg ID: 2843215 Air Meat heads (ARCH) +4/-1     
Author:Pilot II
4/26/2025 12:35:13 PM

Reply to: 2843194

Who was at the controls at the time of the entanglement W/tree 🤔

  1.  Fire Dept. NO, 
  2. Med Crew, NO. 
  3.  AF mfg, NO, 
  4. Program manager NO. 
  5. Weather bad, NO.
  6.  It was %100 the pilot's fault!! Quit trying to protect lack of skills in the pilot!!!


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Msg ID: 2843219 wonder what the risk assessment score was (NT) +1/-1     
Author:(meaningless nonsense)
4/26/2025 1:16:37 PM

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Msg ID: 2843229 wonder what the risk assessment score was +3/-1     
Author:inspectordetector
4/26/2025 2:38:07 PM

Reply to: 2843219

More importantly, did he click the migratory bird box?



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Msg ID: 2843236 wonder what the risk assessment score was +3/-1     
Author:Oh no, a new box
4/26/2025 3:58:50 PM

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I promise not to hit tree: Check.



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Msg ID: 2843242 wonder what the risk assessment score was +4/-1     
Author:Real question
4/26/2025 5:32:24 PM

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Was a call-and-response CRM checklist completed by the crew?



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Msg ID: 2843243 wonder what the risk assessment score was +5/-2     
Author:Anonymous
4/26/2025 5:33:18 PM

Reply to: 2843219

obviously didn't determine and record the highest obstacle enroute!



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Msg ID: 2843245 Air Meat heads (ARCH) +6/-3     
Author:Happy days
4/26/2025 5:40:57 PM

Reply to: 2843215
What is the point of having a helicopters if u millenials cant even land in a field without whacking an oak tree. Airplanes might be best for you kids


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Msg ID: 2843679 Air Meat heads (ARCH) +1/-1     
Author:This Particular HAA OP...
5/8/2025 5:27:03 PM

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Is not what it was when we were on our own certificate back in the nineties.  AIRM came in and destroyed what was once a very envious and just downright safe and fun place of employment.  Great aircraft, great maintenance, great communications, great ground and flight teams...Just another big box HAA op, now.

Former ARCH guy...




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Msg ID: 2843711 except, ARCH needed to sell or close! Great place, but wasn't sustainable (NT) +1/-1     
Author:inevidable fate
5/9/2025 10:30:48 AM

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Msg ID: 2843736 except, ARCH needed to sell or close! Great place, but wasn't sustainable +1/-1     
Author:True...
5/10/2025 6:58:11 AM

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With the hangar fiasco and internal group who tried to take the company didn't help.



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Msg ID: 2843359 What do you suppose the other two "aircrew" folks were doing? (NT) +1/-1     
Author:Eyes out calling obstacles?
4/29/2025 5:39:28 PM

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Msg ID: 2843361 likely, eyes down texting (NT) +3/-1     
Author:seems to be a norm
4/29/2025 6:04:16 PM

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