Msg ID: 2843061 Type 1 Club? +1/-3     
Author:How
4/23/2025 10:00:53 AM

What is it with these companies? How are you suppose to get into the Big Machines, if it’s all just word of mouth hiring and promote from within type stuff?



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Msg ID: 2843063 Type 1 Club? +5/-2     
Author:say wut
4/23/2025 10:23:24 AM

Reply to: 2843061

you answered your own question 



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Msg ID: 2843065 Type 1 Club? +2/-3     
Author:Give it another 10 years
4/23/2025 11:44:08 AM

Reply to: 2843061

Soon all of the geriatrics will truly be out of the industry and then the operators will start freaking out because there's no one to replace them.



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Msg ID: 2843066 Type 1 Club? +1/-1     
Author:now there’s some advice
4/23/2025 1:07:14 PM

Reply to: 2843065

just wait ten years as they probably won’t hire anyone between now and then 



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Msg ID: 2843071 Type 1 Club? +7/-2     
Author:Crossed the gap
4/23/2025 2:35:15 PM

Reply to: 2843066

Depends on the operator. You know who the remaining old boys club operators are. They usually have a staff of all grey hair pilots that hate anyone under 55 that dares to try to learn something or god forbid make the same mistake they made years ago. Ironically they’re the most likely to be washed up with a long line and clogging up the radios on fire. Those companies hire seat meat for SIC. Lottery winner to get a good captain and upgrade at those places.

Other operators are turning the page and raising the next generation of heavy pilots. Time in weight class is the biggest obstacle unless you go to a company that pencil wh1ps it. A lot of the hawk operators lack the utility work to get you the time but they’re trying. They’ll type SIC and get them PIC hours on fire and ferry until they can be carded/upgraded. Go pay your dues if it’s what you want.

The industry is changing and opportunities are there if you’ll put in the work to prove you’re worth the investment. I sucked it up and went SIC for a couple months. Wasn’t the most fun I’ve had and my long line got rusty but it got me where I wanted to be. Had a PIC that was willing to teach the airframe and ended up typed and carded faster than expected on his recommendation. 50/50 work and luck. 



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Msg ID: 2843075 Type 1 Club? (NT) +2/-1     
Author:I’m gray and careless about your generation
4/23/2025 4:42:52 PM

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Msg ID: 2843080 Type 1 Club? +3/-4     
Author:Yeah man we know
4/23/2025 5:52:02 PM

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Boomers will go down as the most selfish generation ever to walk the planet



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Msg ID: 2843074 Grey balls +2/-4     
Author:Airplane Andrew
4/23/2025 3:43:37 PM

Reply to: 2843061
Don't expect them to retire anytime soon. They did tours then EMS too long and realized they'd never be able to retire so once the kids were out of the house they transitioned to fires and are trying to catch up to the quality of life they always dreamed of.


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Msg ID: 2843082 Grey balls +3/-1     
Author:Roy
4/23/2025 6:42:38 PM

Reply to: 2843074
Ok junior.


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Msg ID: 2843086 Go away Roy +1/-2     
Author:Anonymous
4/23/2025 8:24:08 PM

Reply to: 2843082
You and your old balls No value to this forum


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Msg ID: 2843089 YUP +2/-1     
Author:Anonymous go
4/23/2025 8:31:28 PM

Reply to: 2843061
Got their lifetime pensions and didn't fight for the next generation to have the same benefit. Got ponzi schemed into letting the next guy get a 401K instead and kept telling them it was a good idea. With a 3% match even, during those 20-40 years of making garbage wages that don't keep up with inflation!


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Msg ID: 2843090 Type 1 Club? +9/-3     
Author::-)
4/23/2025 8:34:57 PM

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What is it with these companies? How are you suppose to get into the Big Machines

I know man. My current employer put me in an A320 my first year. It’ll be about five years before I can bid widebody into the 777. So frustrating. :-)



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Msg ID: 2843099 Shock'n'Awe +1/-1     
Author:Anonymous
4/24/2025 7:02:41 AM

Reply to: 2843090
My friends were always shocked when I told them what I made as a helicopter guy. They just thought I was living humbly but had some massive savings (like the millionaire who drives a 20 year old car and lives in a normal but nice neighborhood, never eats out, etc.).


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Msg ID: 2843112 No Club +5/-1     
Author:Just Work
4/24/2025 2:01:49 PM

Reply to: 2843061

Getting into a type-1 is the easiest that it’s ever been. Before, it was impossible simply because there weren’t that many of them and the guys who had those spots made good money, so they weren’t going to give it up when they aged.

It was already said; go pay your dues. It’s simple, get on as a SIC, do a season or two and move up into the PIC spot. Or, find a type 2 spot, build the experience and move up from there.

Funny, I used to complain about the same thing. There was no avenue from a light to a medium. None. That is, until there was........



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Msg ID: 2843113 No Club +3/-1     
Author:WELL WITH THEM IS EASY
4/24/2025 2:07:32 PM

Reply to: 2843112

take a SIC position and work your way in....or are you anticipating that you just walk in the door and they make you a PIC..hahaha..because you flew in the army?  please....get hired as a SIC and work your way in



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Msg ID: 2843122 No Club +1/-1     
Author:Just Work, No Green
4/24/2025 3:47:48 PM

Reply to: 2843113

Good Lord... Didn't even get close to left field.... 

Worked for a type 2 outfit who later got a few type 1's...... 



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Msg ID: 2843123 No Club +1/-1     
Author:Just Work, No Green
4/24/2025 3:47:48 PM

Reply to: 2843113

Good Lord... Didn't even get close to left field.... 

Worked for a type 2 outfit who later got a few type 1's...... 



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Msg ID: 2843129 No Club +12/-1     
Author:Hawks
4/24/2025 5:18:12 PM

Reply to: 2843123

Don’t count, they’re like the R22 of the heavy world…



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Msg ID: 2843132 Hawks +12/-2     
Author:An Army Guy
4/24/2025 8:10:22 PM

Reply to: 2843129
I was bored flying Lima models as I felt they flew themselves enough as it was. Guys flying Mike's are probably going backwards in flight experience the longer they fly them. Once you pick up to a hover (which there's no need to touch any controls as it's so stable (as in, it has a true hover button)), then just push another button and it takes off, flies your route all the way down to the approach back to a hover, then push the collective down.


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Msg ID: 2843133 Hawks +2/-1     
Author:Can confirm
4/24/2025 9:28:46 PM

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Hawk makes pilots lose all reality of what it’s like to actually have to fly an aircraft. Why do you think so many of them wash out coming to the commercial world?



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Msg ID: 2843159 Hawks +1/-2     
Author:Hands On Guy
4/25/2025 1:51:10 PM

Reply to: 2843132

Plunging is a choice that I choose not to do. 



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Msg ID: 2843165 Hawks +1/-1     
Author:That
4/25/2025 5:52:21 PM

Reply to: 2843132

stuff has been around for a very long time.



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Msg ID: 2843166 No Club +2/-5     
Author:R22 to Heavy then
4/25/2025 6:34:12 PM

Reply to: 2843129

Didn't need to "count". Type 1 is a helicopter and fly's like the rest of them... A simple transition and off to work we went... 



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Msg ID: 2843170 No Club +6/-1     
Author:Minus
4/25/2025 7:51:02 PM

Reply to: 2843166

The part where the hawk doesn’t fly like a helicopter it literally makes the worst pilot look good. 



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Msg ID: 2843176 No Club +7/-3     
Author:A touch of reality
4/25/2025 10:20:28 PM

Reply to: 2843170

Most operators offer good SIC positions that will transition into PIC for the right people. Many have accelerated programs to rapidly train and qualify broadly experienced and capable pilots to become type-rated PIC on Type 1's, in a short timeframe. If you can't make the cut, they won't be talking to you. 

As other commenters have noted, make your move into Type 2's, and keep your head down. Talk to the other crews on the fire line, and build a network. Let me repeat that - build a network. You want to know the name of every PIC, SIC, mechanic, fuel truck driver and manager on every fire. Tour their  aircraft and service vans. Talk, but more importantly, listen!  We all know who the good up and coming guys are - they have a good attitude, work hard, have great looking aircraft, and know what they are doing. This information gets fed back through the system, and when companies are looking, they talk to their crews, and if the same names keep coming up, they will be looking hard at you. This means don't be out drinking all night, always show up on time ready to work, look the part, play the part, be the part. If you're a flake, everyone will know it, and you will build a rapid reputation, and not the one you want. If you gain this reputation, you will never shake it off. If you do, I will always admire you, because it is ten times harder than just doing it right

Every year I meet dozens of new faces, to add to the old ones I've known for decades. I will work and assist anyone, and will help any operator, friend, or foe. I treat everyone as a friend, love what I do, and take great pride in being a helicopter professional.   

Nothing worthwhile in life is easy or simple. There are huge opportunities on today's horizon, you just need to pay attention, and play the game. 

Oh, and most Chief Pilots are way younger than the guys that work for them.



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Msg ID: 2843177 No Club +3/-2     
Author:No one wants
4/25/2025 10:57:24 PM

Reply to: 2843176

You to come tour their helicopter…..




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Msg ID: 2843212 No Club +5/-3     
Author:Maybe not you
4/26/2025 12:19:27 PM

Reply to: 2843177
Everyone I have ever met has been extremely happy to show their machine,and introduce the crew. Maybe they don't like you for some reason - maybe you don't show your aircraft and colleagues off? Maybe you are part of the problem?


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