| Msg ID: 2843053 |
There they are +3/-1
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| Author:An Army Guy
4/23/2025 6:45:21 AM |
R44 proof of concept for Fort Novosel in action. Not revolutionary by any stretch. Can't believe the Army committed to the dumb Lakota idea as a primary flight trainer for so long... Don't think the R44 is the best long-term choice but will probably be the path of least resistance in a bid solicitation whether anyone likes it or not. As of right now, it probably would meet every requirement ahead of any competitors. |
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| Msg ID: 2843058 |
There they are +1/-2
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| Author:First of all….
4/23/2025 9:33:06 AM Reply to: 2843053 |
One of those are R44s…. |
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| Msg ID: 2843059 |
There they are +1/-1
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| Author:None…
4/23/2025 9:34:47 AM Reply to: 2843058 |
Correction, None, of those… |
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| Msg ID: 2843139 |
I don’t see why everyone hates the Lakota +2/-6
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| Author:Anonymous
4/25/2025 7:22:42 AM Reply to: 2843053 |
Everyone complains about the cost, the army doesn’t care about cost, why should you. Military has a blank check. Secondly, everyone complains that it doesn’t teach pilots how to fly, the army requires overriding the sas for pickups and landings so students DO have to learn to hover and land without assistance so it’s not true that they can’t fly plus pretty much all the helicopters in the industry use a sas, even AE put them in their 40 year old 206s so it’s not really much of an argument. Thirdly, I have over 1500 hours in Robbies and yeah they’re squirrelly as fk, and in my opinion, it’s really doing the student a disservice to log 60 hours in a bare bones touchy helicopter and then transition them to the complexity of a Blackhawk or Cobra. The Lakota makes the transition a lot smoother and is so similar to the 135 that they can transition to EMS in 10 years easier. I think 80 hours in a Lakota and 800 in a Blackhawk is better suited to transition to both complex army helicopters and to civilian than the Robbie. Learning to hover in a Robbie isn’t a good justification for all long term benefits of the Lakota. FYI I’m civilian and taught in Robbie’s for 2 years and taught at Novosel in the Lakota. If I were still there, the suggestion of going back to flying Robbies would make me quit. Training is difficult enough and I have no desire to ever get back in a Robinson helicopter. |
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| Msg ID: 2843261 |
I don’t see why everyone hates the Lakota +3/-1
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| Author:I can already tell
4/27/2025 11:31:13 AM Reply to: 2843139 |
I can already tell that in real life, no one likes you…. |
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| Msg ID: 2843263 |
Red flag +2/-1
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| Author:Airbus Fanboy
4/27/2025 1:43:08 PM Reply to: 2843139 |
It's always the former civilian guys who were Robbie Rangers and went to teach at Rucker/Novosel who want to defend the Lakota. I just don't get the infatuation with that aircraft as a Primary trainer. The only things the advanced aircraft instructors ever said they saw better than the 206 students (and they were dual program for about 3 years until all the Lakotas were fielded) was that the Lakota students owned managing upper modes when doing instruments... so big whoop. Twice the cost for not twice the skill/ability. And Lakota Mx is STILL a problem to this day out there. Absolute garbage. And the idea with fielding Lakotas was to replace Huey/Kiowa at the same time (helpful to USAR/NG since they had whole units with them and to give active duty a cheaper airframe to go build time cheaper in when stateside for ash/trash missions or training flights (especially instruments since active duty has so little time/budget to work on instruments)). When they pushed them to replace the 67's it was a mistake from the beginning. |
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| Msg ID: 2843266 |
Red flag +4/-1
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| Author:Literally
4/27/2025 7:31:28 PM Reply to: 2843263 |
No one cares…… Not even the slightest…. |
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