Msg ID: 2842794 Can you be charged by FAA for fibbing hours on an employment application +8/-2     
Author:with an Part 135 operator??
4/18/2025 10:36:54 AM

Rhetorical question....   I know the answer!



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Msg ID: 2842796 Can you be charged by FAA for fibbing hours on an employment application +4/-3     
Author:charged with wut
4/18/2025 10:39:32 AM

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the faa could not possibly care less 



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Msg ID: 2842807 So, are you saying they care more? (NT) +6/-5     
Author:Anonymous
4/18/2025 12:23:13 PM

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Msg ID: 2842811 So, are you saying they care more? +3/-3     
Author:read it again slowly
4/18/2025 1:07:56 PM

Reply to: 2842807

maybe more than once



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Msg ID: 2842819 The slower I read it, the more confusing your commet was! (NT) +6/-7     
Author:Theycouldn't care less."
4/18/2025 1:53:35 PM

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Msg ID: 2842820 That means, they care more!! +4/-5     
Author:Anonymous
4/18/2025 1:56:14 PM

Reply to: 2842819

If they couldn't care less, they they are opposite of caring less.  The opposite of caring less is caring more!   



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Msg ID: 2842821 That means, they care more!! +5/-6     
Author:say wut
4/18/2025 2:12:51 PM

Reply to: 2842820

I could not care less if you lived or died. in other words: no caring.

lol. get it



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Msg ID: 2842808 FAR 61.59 (NT) +1/-3     
Author:Anonymous
4/18/2025 12:31:14 PM

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Msg ID: 2842810 Yes it matters +7/-3     
Author:AI generated
4/18/2025 12:48:49 PM

Reply to: 2842796
Yes, a pilot can lose their pilot certificate for falsifying flight hours on an employment application. The FAA can revoke or suspend any airman certificate if they determine a pilot falsified a required document, and falsifying flight hours on an application is considered falsifying a required document. This can lead to the loss of all certificates, including the pilot's license, and could also lead to criminal charges. [1, 2, 3]  
Here's a more detailed explanation: [1, 2, 3]  
  • Falsification of Documents: The FAA takes falsification of required documents very seriously. This includes falsifying flight logs or flight hours on applications. [1, 2, 3]  
  • Consequences: The FAA can revoke or suspend a pilot's certificate if they find falsification. This means the pilot will lose their ability to fly and may have to retake tests to regain their certificates. [1, 2, 3, 4]  
  • Criminal Charges: Falsifying information on a federal application can also lead to criminal charges and fines. [3]  
  • Materiality: The FAA focuses on the materiality of the falsification, meaning the importance of the false information to the application. [3]  
  • Intentionality: If the falsification is intentional, the FAA will likely pursue revocation of the pilot's certificate. [3]  
  • Mitigation: If a pilot realizes they have inadvertently made a mistake on their medical certificate application, they may be able to amend the application or take other mitigating steps, says the AOPA. [5]  
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Msg ID: 2842798 Can you be charged by FAA for fibbing hours on an employment application +4/-6     
Author:falsifying your logbook is bad
4/18/2025 10:43:16 AM

Reply to: 2842794

But I have known some very busy tour and GOA pilots who have legitimately logged over 700 hours in just one year! 



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Msg ID: 2842816 Can you be charged by FAA for fibbing hours on an employment application +3/-4     
Author:700 ain't nothing
4/18/2025 1:45:31 PM

Reply to: 2842798

gom pilots can easily go over a thousand. tour pilot much more as they work a lot more days. nobody gives a sh*t about a log book after you're done training.



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Msg ID: 2842817 So, was this guy a GOM pilot or claiming to be one? (NT) +4/-2     
Author:Yes, FAA cares about your logbook
4/18/2025 1:49:52 PM

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Msg ID: 2842822 So, was this guy a GOM pilot or claiming to be one? +2/-3     
Author:no
4/18/2025 2:13:33 PM

Reply to: 2842817

they don't



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Msg ID: 2842825 Nobody cares after 1500 hrs typically +5/-1     
Author:AMC Guy
4/18/2025 2:48:34 PM

Reply to: 2842816
It's not after training but after whatever industry-insurance standard are


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Msg ID: 2842827 Oh, so you can fudge a hours to get a job flying tours, to than fudge hours +1/-6     
Author:to get a GOM job, to fudge hrs to ...
4/18/2025 2:56:45 PM

Reply to: 2842825

... get some other industry standard flight time job?


Once you fudge it in your logbook, its in your logbook, and it is falsification (in this case, a knowingly false entry).


Then, you falsify other things here and there??   


One of Aviation's foundation pillars is integrity.   Imagine you get on an a regional airline with your family and you didn't know that the pilot got the job because he falsified his experience/qualifications a little.  



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Msg ID: 2842829 Oh, so you can fudge a hours to get a job flying tours, to than fudge hours +2/-4     
Author:say wut
4/18/2025 3:09:16 PM

Reply to: 2842827

so throw your log book away. nobody cares about a logbook. 



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Msg ID: 2842831 But, they do! They just trust you aren't lying (NT) +3/-1     
Author:(until they find out you were)
4/18/2025 3:17:08 PM

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Msg ID: 2842834 But, they do! They just trust you aren't lying +2/-1     
Author:no
4/18/2025 3:34:18 PM

Reply to: 2842831

nobody looks at your f**king logbook because nobody cares about your f**king logbook 



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Msg ID: 2842965 Oh, so you can fudge a hours to get a job flying tours, to than fudge hours +1/-1     
Author:CP/DO
4/21/2025 2:26:27 PM

Reply to: 2842829

I asked every applicant to bring logbooks to the interview to show the hours claimed on the application. Funny thing is, there are always applicants that chicken out for the interview.



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Msg ID: 2842828 Nobody cares after 1500 hrs typically +2/-4     
Author:say wut
4/18/2025 3:05:42 PM

Reply to: 2842825

what do industry standards have to do with a logbook



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Msg ID: 2842832 Well, they other guy said nobody cares unless its to get you past +4/-2     
Author:a hiring "standard"
4/18/2025 3:18:55 PM

Reply to: 2842828

Or, was it Nobody Doesn't Care, I get confused with the double-negatives



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Msg ID: 2842838 Well, they look at it when they suspect you've fibbed on your reported +1/-2     
Author:flight time! Yup!
4/18/2025 4:26:16 PM

Reply to: 2842832

Your logbook is an official document.   Your resume is not!



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Msg ID: 2842840 Well, they look at it when they suspect you've fibbed on your reported +5/-1     
Author:yeah bro, you'll get turned in
4/18/2025 4:43:38 PM

Reply to: 2842838

to the faa police and they'll send you to faa prison and you'll do hard time with all the pilots that commited crimes like busting airspace.



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Msg ID: 2842844 Basically, yes! Company DOO/CP report it to POI, POI refers it to (NT) +3/-4     
Author:FAA Enforcement, ALJ hammers you
4/18/2025 5:30:53 PM

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Msg ID: 2842846 Basically, yes! Company DOO/CP report it to POI, POI refers it to  +7/-9     
Author:say wut
4/18/2025 5:39:42 PM

Reply to: 2842844

it’s a fantasy dreamed up by wannabes and private pilots that have no clue what reality is. the cp and the poi don’t give a f**k. either you can fly and pass the ride or you don’t 



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Msg ID: 2842850 Well, we see here your vast knowledge is overstated here too +5/-3     
Author:But, there's no rule violation for that
4/18/2025 6:28:15 PM

Reply to: 2842846

so you are OK to continue your misinformation campaign



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Msg ID: 2842867 Are you speaking from your personal experience of not yet getting caught? (NT) +2/-4     
Author:Sounds like it
4/19/2025 10:18:29 AM

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Msg ID: 2842865 Well, they look at it when they suspect you've fibbed on your reported +5/-2     
Author:True...However...
4/19/2025 9:54:02 AM

Reply to: 2842838

If a pilot is presenting fraudulent information based upon the federal document [logbook] in this case, then the hours reported becomes fraudulent.  Additionally, insurance rates will vary with experience levels and if a pilot deliberately misrepresents qualification [flight hours], it then becomes insurance fraud and that generally is considered a felony.  

One more consideration for this...If the pilot is involved in an aircraft mishap and he or she is found to have committed fraudulent qualifications, that pilot will not only have the FAA certificates and ratings revoked, he or she will go to jail if anyone is hurt or [worse].

Think professionally.



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Msg ID: 2842901 Well, they look at it when they suspect you've fibbed on your reported +3/-2     
Author:no
4/20/2025 12:41:48 AM

Reply to: 2842865

that’s complete hot garbage



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Msg ID: 2842908 Well, they look at it when they suspect you've fibbed on your reported +4/-2     
Author:It's True...
4/20/2025 9:36:22 AM

Reply to: 2842901

Have you ever directly been involved in this specific issue?  Have you ever been under oath testifying with respect to a pilot misrepresenting qualifications?  Have you ever met with and developed coverage plans with insurance carriers?  Have you ever been a Director of Operations, Chief Pilot or held an administrative position in air carrier management which required you to be involved in these processes?  Have you ever been involved in an investigation process?  If you have, I would be curious as to why you hold the opinion you do.

Insurance fraud is a felony in most states; and a pilot certificate is a federal authorization.  If a pilot has misrepresented [deliberately] his/her qualifications and a mishap resulting in injury or loss of life, the pilot may very well be incarcerated.

Think professionally.



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Msg ID: 2842915 Well, they look at it when they suspect you've fibbed on your reported +2/-4     
Author:say wut
4/20/2025 1:04:26 PM

Reply to: 2842908

nope, never have. you haven't either. I don't know anybody nor have I ever heard of anybody being involved in something like that in 29 years of flying. 

are you still curious why hold that opinion

think rationally 



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Msg ID: 2842922 I know: Because you've lied about your hours for 29 years and (NT) +6/-1     
Author:got away with it so far!
4/20/2025 3:22:55 PM

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Msg ID: 2842923 I know: Because you've lied about your hours for 29 years and +1/-1     
Author:say wut
4/20/2025 3:59:58 PM

Reply to: 2842922

even if I did pad it up, every one those schools are long ago closed, people are dead and aircraft have been crashed or sent overseas but I'm sure they'll be knocking on my door anyday now wanting to know about a 100 hours of 300 time from 1998. you're stupid



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Msg ID: 2842924 IOW's.... You did! +6/-2     
Author:Just haven't been caught
4/20/2025 5:05:01 PM

Reply to: 2842923

They aren't going to come knocking on your door investigating something someone else did!   Duh!



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Msg ID: 2842925 Citations: +8/-3     
Author:Anonymous
4/20/2025 5:09:09 PM

Reply to: 2842923
The FAA can take enforcement action against a pilot who lies on an employment application to a certificate holder, potentially including certificate suspension or revocation, as well as other penalties. Such actions are designed to deter and discipline individuals who violate regulations. The FAA can also issue a Notice of Proposed Certificate Action (NPCA), requiring the alleged violator to respond. [1, 2]  
Here's a more detailed breakdown: [1]  
  • Possible FAA Actions: The FAA can take several actions against a pilot who lies on an application, including: [1]  
    • Certificate Suspension: A temporary suspension of the pilot's certificate for a specified period. [1]  
    • Certificate Revocation: A permanent loss of the pilot's certificate. [1]  
    • Fines and Penalties: The FAA can also impose monetary fines and other penalties. [3]  
  • Legal Process: The FAA's enforcement process typically involves: [2, 4]  
    • Investigation: The FAA will investigate the allegations and gather evidence. [2, 4]  
    • Notice of Proposed Certificate Action (NPCA): The FAA will issue a NPCA to the alleged violator, giving them an opportunity to respond. [2]  
    • Opportunity to Respond: The pilot can present evidence and argue their case to the FAA. [2]  
    • Final Decision: The FAA will make a final decision based on the evidence and arguments presented. [2]  
  • Appeal: The pilot can appeal the FAA's decision to the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB). [1]  
  • Importance of Truthfulness: The FAA emphasizes the importance of providing accurate information on applications and documents, as lying can have serious consequences. [3]  
  • Hotline Complaints: Anyone can file a complaint against a certificate holder, and the reporter can remain anonymous, potentially leading to an FAA investigation, according to The Ison Law Firm Aviation Lawyers. [5]  
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Msg ID: 2842927 Citations: (NT) +2/-3     
Author:What say you, Say Wut???
4/20/2025 5:44:29 PM

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Msg ID: 2842873 Can you be charged by FAA for fibbing hours on an employment application +1/-3     
Author:you can easily log 700hrs
4/19/2025 11:29:01 AM

Reply to: 2842798

A year flying offshore...fly the Apache contract....enough said 



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Msg ID: 2842875 Well, yeah, if you actually work offshore and are flying (NT) +1/-2     
Author:which is easily verifiable
4/19/2025 12:01:21 PM

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Msg ID: 2842898 Can you be charged by FAA for fibbing hours on an employment application +3/-3     
Author:Rvrrat
4/19/2025 10:35:22 PM

Reply to: 2842798

700 hours in a year is easy doing Grand Canyon Tours.  



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Msg ID: 2842839 Can you be charged by FAA for fibbing hours on an employment application +4/-2     
Author:BigT
4/18/2025 4:31:30 PM

Reply to: 2842794

It depends on the pen.  Parker is known as a high quality pen and the company does have connections to the helicopter industry (Omniflight).  Not sure what FAA thinks about other brands.



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Msg ID: 2842841 Yes, you most certainly can +2/-2     
Author:S76--
4/18/2025 4:51:18 PM

Reply to: 2842794

A friend of mine in high school told an employer that he had 700 hours of King-Air time. 

When he went to fly the line, he apparently didn't fly like a 700 hour pilot. 

They investigated and found that he pencil*whipped all the hours in his logbook.

The FAA revoked his licenses -- All of them 

This was north of 20-25 years ago.




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Msg ID: 2842843 Yes, you most certainly can +2/-3     
Author:say wut
4/18/2025 5:12:14 PM

Reply to: 2842841

all these stories are always from 30 years ago and the guy lives in canada now and you wouldn't know him 




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Msg ID: 2842863 Yes, you most certainly can +4/-2     
Author:I Don't Know...
4/19/2025 9:25:36 AM

Reply to: 2842843

If it is just sarcasm you believe is humor, or you really are abrasive in your delivery.  It may be worth while to tone the aggression down a notch or two...Trade some productive and relevant information for discussion...



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Msg ID: 2842845 Worry about the lawyers if you have an accident +4/-5     
Author:Anonymous
4/18/2025 5:38:53 PM

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Msg ID: 2842847 Worry about the lawyers if you have an accident +4/-2     
Author:yeah sure
4/18/2025 5:40:52 PM

Reply to: 2842845

throw it away or don’t give it to them 



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Msg ID: 2842851 Worry about the lawyers if you have an accident +3/-5     
Author:Anonymous
4/18/2025 6:31:30 PM

Reply to: 2842847

Excellent legal advice from an idiot. Lawyer go through the records and verify logbook entries unlike the FAA that takes your word for it. A pilot has left a paper trail from the first medical application to company flight records. They don't need you to "give" it to them. You really should get out more if you are going to offer free "legal" advice,



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Msg ID: 2842853 Worry about the lawyers if you have an accident +3/-6     
Author:say wut
4/18/2025 7:38:24 PM

Reply to: 2842851

yeah, that’s exactly what I’m doing. giving legal advice 



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Msg ID: 2842881 Yup (NT) +1/-2     
Author:Anonymous
4/19/2025 12:49:27 PM

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Msg ID: 2842855 Job required hours? +4/-5     
Author:Airplane Andrew
4/18/2025 10:05:02 PM

Reply to: 2842794
Name all the employers who require more than 1500 or 2000 hours in the helicopter industry


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Msg ID: 2842894 Job required hours? +1/-1     
Author:Helo Head
4/19/2025 7:56:25 PM

Reply to: 2842855
I can only think of a handful of jobs over the years that ever required more than 2K hours


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Msg ID: 2842917 Job required hours? +3/-2     
Author:say wut
4/20/2025 1:38:37 PM

Reply to: 2842894

almost every ems job requires 2,000 hours



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Msg ID: 2842919 Right +5/-2     
Author:Anonymous
4/20/2025 2:38:35 PM

Reply to: 2842917
So nobody cares about your hours after 2000 hrs...


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Msg ID: 2842920 Right +2/-8     
Author:say wut
4/20/2025 2:40:36 PM

Reply to: 2842919

yes, they still care about hours. I know this will be confusing for you



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Msg ID: 2842931 Can you be charged by FAA for fibbing hours on an employment application +1/-1     
Author:Roy
4/20/2025 10:09:22 PM

Reply to: 2842794
Ok.


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Msg ID: 2842941 Go away Roy (NT) +5/-2     
Author:Anonymous
4/21/2025 8:54:13 AM

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Msg ID: 2842953 Can you be charged by FAA for fibbing hours on an employment application +4/-6     
Author:Ole Elder.
4/21/2025 10:41:08 AM

Reply to: 2842794

Yeah, the FED's are on top of it...... There is the way it should be and the way it really is.... Age provides the avenue to go from one to the other......

https://www.justice.gov/usao-edca/pr/former-california-news-helicopter-pilot-sentenced



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Msg ID: 2843044 Can you be charged by FAA for fibbing hours on an employment application +2/-1     
Author:Oooooops
4/23/2025 2:51:16 AM

Reply to: 2842794

Other than the FAA your employer wouldn’t be very pleased either.  It’s not fibbing, it’s fraud.



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Msg ID: 2848117 Can you be charged by FAA for fibbing hours on an employment application +0/-1     
Author:# 2 pencil
8/4/2025 6:10:28 AM

Reply to: 2843044
Probably happens more than u think. Especially someone who is desperate to earn a decent living. Personally I did not loggedhundreds of hours. But i remember how important. Every hour was when building time Especially the coveted turbine time. Which isn't all that important any more. Since tha fadec.


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