Msg ID: 2842752 Forest Service +5/-2     
Author:Bye Bye
4/17/2025 2:26:19 PM

https://verticalavi.org/vai-daily/draft-executive-order-signals-major-changes-for-us-wildland-firefighting-operations/




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Msg ID: 2842764 Forest Service +4/-2     
Author:Anonymous
4/17/2025 8:01:36 PM

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hmmm sounds like it might be the beginning of the end for the good old boy card club 



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Msg ID: 2842774 Forest Service +11/-3     
Author:Sounds like
4/18/2025 1:27:59 AM

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None of these things are bad…..

Only will make things better, and there is no “good old boy” card club? Are you stupid?



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Msg ID: 2842783 Forest Service +4/-4     
Author:Thats
4/18/2025 8:54:14 AM

Reply to: 2842774

Funny, "no club" 

Either part of the problem or never been around it



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Msg ID: 2842789 Forest Service +6/-2     
Author:Well
4/18/2025 10:10:34 AM

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Been carded for 18 years, and haven’t seen a club yet….

Sounds like you’re just washed out and can’t meet the requirements and blame your flaws and shortcomings on some imaginary thing that doesn’t exist….


You probably blame the wind for everything as well…



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Msg ID: 2842792 Forest Service +1/-1     
Author:Hahahaa
4/18/2025 10:26:25 AM

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Bitter little fella who can’t get carded….




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Msg ID: 2842802 Forest Service +1/-1     
Author:Free
4/18/2025 11:17:40 AM

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Yeah he should probably try being in with the boys...


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Msg ID: 2842852 Forest Service +1/-2     
Author:Many
4/18/2025 7:04:35 PM

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Many Of the carding issues causative in the EO aren’t pilots. It’s about taking 15 years to card an Aviation Branch Director or Ops Chief. Faster to go to med school and residency.

It’s not sustainable and many of the original IC and OPs Chiefs were grandfathered in. Now dying or retiring and they can’t be replaced. 



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Msg ID: 2842869 Forest Service +9/-1     
Author:This
4/19/2025 11:04:47 AM

Reply to: 2842852

Doesn’t even happen and you have no idea what you’re talking about…



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Msg ID: 2842918 Forest Service +2/-3     
Author:Yeah
4/20/2025 1:52:29 PM

Reply to: 2842869

It’s all perfect and that’s why there are multiple bills filed and an EO,

It’s okay, keep trying to protect the system that rewards membership over results 



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Msg ID: 2842926 Forest Service +2/-1     
Author:What
4/20/2025 5:37:33 PM

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Are you even talking about loser?



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Msg ID: 2842951 Forest Service +1/-1     
Author:Have
4/21/2025 10:15:25 AM

Reply to: 2842869

You read the GAO reports on the status of the federal wildland fire fighting system 



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Msg ID: 2842804 Forest Service +5/-1     
Author:hahaha
4/18/2025 11:44:59 AM

Reply to: 2842774

Hahaha! No boys club! Hahahah, Yeah.... sure thing pal. And yes, I hold a card and still believe there is a boys club.



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Msg ID: 2842848 There are pilots being carded that should not be +2/-1     
Author:I have worked fires with some of them.
4/18/2025 5:41:44 PM

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Msg ID: 2842882 There are pilots being carded that should not be +1/-3     
Author:And they work for helicopter express
4/19/2025 1:25:20 PM

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flying the aircranes



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Msg ID: 2842857 How do you get a card? (NT) +1/-1     
Author:Curious George
4/18/2025 10:08:31 PM

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Msg ID: 2842868 How do you get a card? +17/-1     
Author:Easy
4/19/2025 11:03:59 AM

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Work for company with contracts, Meet the requirements, take carding ride, get your card…..couldn’t be easier…



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