You really should keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool, rather than open your mouth and prove it. I didn't give those 3 examples and I never said that they went out of business, learn to pay attention and you just may make it out of the RLC slums some day. I just said that those 3 were a mess to work for now and they are definately not bigger than they were15-20 years ago. What good is a company to work for if it is misserable. Something I know you are vrey familiar with Mr. Rotorcraft Learning Center.