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Msg ID: 2834286 The substandard Bell product +16/-1     
Author:No comparison to Airbus
11/10/2024 12:02:51 AM

Walk around a Bell 429 then walk around an H145. It’s incredible how inferior the Bell product has become. A double stacked tail rotor that has grounding straps all over it, looks like it’s from 1965. They look like they just stole odd parts and pieces from old machines and slapped them on and called it their new helicopter. No serious thought in engineering or design.

Then look at an Airbus product. Slick and clean, a fenestron, superior rotorhead and mechanics, superior avionics package, superior ride.

You get what you pay for that’s for damn sure.



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Msg ID: 2834292 The substandard Bell product +0/-3     
Author:if you get what you pay for
11/10/2024 7:37:09 AM

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why you crying about it 



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Msg ID: 2834294 The substandard Bell product +0/-2     
Author:and the helicopter looked at you and
11/10/2024 7:53:34 AM

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said, I dont want your dumbazz flying me



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Msg ID: 2834302 The substandard Bell product +1/-3     
Author:Bell Fanboy
11/10/2024 10:43:20 AM

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You're probably only looking at the latest/greatest 145 to compare it. Every other Airbus helicopter is a frustrating, user-unfriendly machine (not bad, just very frustrating from a pilot standpoint). Offset tailrotor is may look ghetto but it's a proven design to almost be as quiet as a fenestron but have far superior controllability. It's used on the AH-6 and AH-64... make the tailrotor sound almost non-existent in forward flight (vs the screech/growl of a fenestront). Would guess ANY helicopter pilot would take a T/R over a fenestron any day for those that have flown both. Fenestron has the 1-2 second delay sluggishness and takes more input (distance in the pedals) to have the same controllability).


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Msg ID: 2834305 The substandard Bell product +1/-1     
Author:Bell MD sikorsky
11/10/2024 11:14:05 AM

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All have lost out to eurocopter


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Msg ID: 2834306 The substandard Bell product +1/-1     
Author:There
11/10/2024 11:17:51 AM

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Is no Eurocopter. AB spent $,$$$,$$$ to change Data plates from Eurocopter to Air Bus Helicopter



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Msg ID: 2834313 I’ve flown Bell as much as AB +1/-1     
Author:OP
11/10/2024 11:41:33 AM

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I’ve flown just about all the Bells, and I loved them for what they are, but  it’s clear who builds the superior product and that is Airbus.



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Msg ID: 2834318 I’ve flown Bell as much as AB +1/-2     
Author:If they’re so great
11/10/2024 12:18:09 PM

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They why are you here moaning? Every aircraft has a spot. Bell sucks in spots, airbus does, Sikorsky does, etc….thats why there are different manufacturers…..why don’t you see any airbus doing live voltage Powerline work center phase? That’s right, because MD destroys the competition for that specific type of work. Tools in the toolbox, only point a to b pilots care about the crap you’re talking about. Utility pilots want the best tool for the job.



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Msg ID: 2834327 I’ve flown Bell as much as AB +0/-1     
Author:lol
11/10/2024 1:03:43 PM

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 my guess local guy weighs in with more idiocy



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Msg ID: 2834351 Wrong! (NT) +0/-1     
Author:Local Guy
11/10/2024 5:46:31 PM

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Msg ID: 2834363 I’ve flown Bell as much as AB +0/-1     
Author:bell sucks in spots
11/10/2024 10:02:52 PM

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lol wut



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Msg ID: 2835315 The substandard Bell product +0/-0     
Author:Nodoginfight
11/25/2024 5:39:41 PM

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I’ve never found any Airbus helicopter user unfriendly.  May not be crazy about some design features but I can say that about every model every manufacturer



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Msg ID: 2834335 You can tell it's a Bell... (NT) +2/-1     
Author:it's swell.
11/10/2024 2:02:01 PM

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Msg ID: 2834339 You can tell it's a Bell... (NT) +0/-0     
Author:And swoll
11/10/2024 2:49:09 PM

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Msg ID: 2834340 You can tell it's a Bell... (NT) +0/-0     
Author:And swoll
11/10/2024 2:49:09 PM

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Msg ID: 2834342 You can tell it's a Bell... +0/-0     
Author:gotta love the PR spin
11/10/2024 2:59:33 PM

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Search and Rescue in the 505 from Ft Worth PD?  They hate the one they have.  Go ask the actual people that fly it.  I have. Politics at work from the home grown OEM.  When the PD isn't even involved in the procurement process that says a lot.

https://news.bellflight.com/en-US/243180-fort-worth-police-department-adds-second-bell-505-to-public-safety-fleet




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Msg ID: 2834343 The substandard Bell product +1/-1     
Author:S92 dvr
11/10/2024 3:11:25 PM

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All comes down to what you like/enjoy flying, I loved the Huey and B222, Jet Rangers were meh. Hate the Astar, love the B105 and the EC135/45. Hate the S76, love the S92. All comes down to your personal preference. Now the mechs probably have a whole different list of what they prefer to work on. 



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Msg ID: 2834347 The substandard Bell product +3/-0     
Author:All Bell Ever Did Was...
11/10/2024 4:31:41 PM

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Attempt upgrades to their aging fleets instead of financing the R&D into totally new airframes.  Back in the late 80's, MBB/ECD/Airbus realized the US market demand, specifically in the HAA and Offshore sectors, and developed aircraft to meet that need.   Bell additionally placed most of their research into the tilt-rotor, which is a advanced concept.  But in the civil sector, it isn't [at this point] economically feasible.  This basically ran Bell out of any of the competitive HAA and Offshore market[s].  

Personally, I am like a lot of the older guys here in that I have a lot of time in the old Bell products.  In their day, great aircraft.  Been in the Airbus products since 1990 and prefer the Airbus much more.  

The adage, "You snooze, you lose," is relevant to Bell.  Sikorsky and MD didn't do anything to help their product line, either...



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Msg ID: 2834358 The substandard Bell product +0/-1     
Author:Hospital administrator
11/10/2024 8:51:47 PM

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I listen to my paramedics and Murses. They tell me the 145 will fly faster and farther than any Bell product. The attend a medical seminar that highlights EMS platforms. The pilots don't get a say in my purchase decisions because they don't have the medical best interest at heart.


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Msg ID: 2834372 The substandard Bell product +0/-1     
Author:unless you're somebody that
11/11/2024 10:22:36 AM

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actually buys helicopters, who cares. I fly what they buy.



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Msg ID: 2834412 The substandard Bell product +0/-3     
Author:Observation
11/11/2024 10:16:30 PM

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No skin in the fight, but mere observation only bell helicopters ever seen taxiing sideways because pilot was afraid of insufficient TR authority. Oh and the winds were under 12 kts.



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Msg ID: 2834433 The substandard Bell product +2/-2     
Author:Ah huh...
11/12/2024 9:18:22 AM

Reply to: 2834286

Yes, you get what you pay for.  Paying for an over-engineered plastic electrical wonder of circuitry will get you down time and some annoyingly complex troubleshooting.  

But, both helicopters are popular amongst their own crowds and doing well.



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Msg ID: 2834792 The substandard Bell product +0/-0     
Author:Current events
11/17/2024 8:52:58 PM

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Let’s say Europe can’t get parts out to support the Airbus fleets around the world because they are bogged down in wartime support. Might want to start looking for solutions to that problem now. At minimum shift some manufacturing to the States.



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Msg ID: 2835356 The substandard Bell product +0/-0     
Author:Not going
11/26/2024 10:49:57 AM

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to happen even though Russia can out produce the EU in basic war materials, by far.  They just can't afford it, especially if oil goes below, say, $50/barrel.

Their mistake was to underestimate Ukraine and its external support.



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