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2817975 |
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Author:Anyone
5/26/2024 11:49:41 PM
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Teaching this method to new students needs to stop. This has caused many close calls and a few fatal accidents doing this technique. low time CFIs have no idea what's going on and before they know it they're low g and chop the tailboom in the 44.
good ol tried and true recovery from VRS is just fine. |
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Msg ID:
2817978 |
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Author:Texas
5/27/2024 1:36:41 AM
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Probably what happened in Texas awhile ago. However that problem is more of a Robinson issue with a very inexperienced CFi. Complete crap helicopters, crap design, has been and always will be. I don't care how popular they are, they are crappy helicopters.
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Msg ID:
2817990 |
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Author:Aircraft owner
5/27/2024 11:00:53 AM
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I have to agree with "Texas", I've owned two R-22's they're an accident waiting to happen, just add some mountain turbulence while operating near VNE. |
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Msg ID:
2817991 |
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Author:just thought
5/27/2024 11:07:21 AM
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but maybe not fly in the mountains near vne in any aircraft |
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Msg ID:
2817996 |
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Author:I remember
5/27/2024 12:42:26 PM
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When the Army had to publish mast bumping videos to keep the geniuses in Vietnam from killing themselves flying like garbage. Anyway I wonder who it was in the 80's and 90's teaching students how to kill themselves in Robbies so much that they had to publish the SFAR. |
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Msg ID:
2818008 |
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Author:nothing like insulting veterans
5/27/2024 2:51:17 PM
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on memorial day. what a guy |
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Msg ID:
2818010 |
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Author:it's yet another reminder
5/27/2024 2:55:12 PM
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this place is mostly deplorable maga trolls |
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Msg ID:
2818018 |
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Author:in memoriam
5/27/2024 4:55:09 PM
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of all the crew cheifs and medevacs killed by hotshot pilots flying the mast off the bird |
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Msg ID:
2818020 |
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Author:keep digging
5/27/2024 4:59:17 PM
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deplorable |
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Msg ID:
2817999 |
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Author:I’d bet money it was
5/27/2024 12:59:21 PM
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Adopting a maneuver which the instructor doesn't even understand but they've seen a video and try to put it into their Program in aircraft that can't handle it nor do they even have any experience with it.
see it, try to spout it off to their students as a 10,000 hr experienced pilot, student doesn't know any better, then before you know it, you're falling from the sky. |
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Msg ID:
2817980 |
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Author:many close calls
5/27/2024 5:20:20 AM
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in other words, you got nothing |
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Msg ID:
2818013 |
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Author:Retired
5/27/2024 3:42:05 PM
Reply to: 2817980
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You don't know, what you don't know. I have the feeling, I had a few really close calls with instructors who demonstrated "extream settling". These were post nam high time guys. |
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Msg ID:
2818039 |
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Author:explain what you mean
5/28/2024 9:01:24 AM
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by a close call |
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Msg ID:
2818017 |
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Author:It’s obvious
5/27/2024 4:38:46 PM
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Vuchard is a blow hard narcissis... change my mind |
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Msg ID:
2818104 |
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Author:Vee Are Esser
5/29/2024 10:22:40 AM
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Full-blown VRS is scary, we get it. But VRS never happens way up high. Rather, it's usually at the bottom of an f'ed-up approach. In incipient VRS, the key is to get air moving sideways through the disk again. Mssr Vuichard reminds us that you can use the tail rotor thrust to help push the helicopter sideways, which allows you to lose less altitude than with the conventional "reduce power, push forward and hope you have enough altitude to recover" procedure. That he put his name on the technique is odd. I mean, a helicopter pilot with a big ego? Say it ain't so! |
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Msg ID:
2818107 |
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Author:That’s a lot of words
5/29/2024 11:12:32 AM
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To tell everyone you know nothing.....goal to get air to move sideways?
how about you try again...... |
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Msg ID:
2818120 |
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Author:Vee Are Esser
5/29/2024 4:06:17 PM
Reply to: 2818107
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The amount of hate on the internet, and especially in this childish forum is truly sad. It is why helicopter pilots will always be second-class pilots. Like this next guy here...
That's a lot of words to tell everyone you know nothing.....goal to get air to move sideways?
Oh, should I have said "laterally" instead of sideways? Would that work for you, you bitter pedant? Please, tell us the best way to extricate your helicopter from VRS - we'd love to hear what new and different explanation you have. Seriously. P.S. In the future, I'll try to keep my posts to only one or two sentences, as we all know that your attention span isn't sufficient to comprehend more than that. Sorry. |
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Msg ID:
2818123 |
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Author:yeah
5/29/2024 5:01:07 PM
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move the air sideways |
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Msg ID:
2818130 |
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Author:Sure
5/29/2024 10:47:46 PM
Reply to: 2818120
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ill answer....
1st, you're not moving the air....you're moving the rotor disk which moves the AIRCRAFT...
2nd, it doesn't matter WHAT way you move the aircraft out of said AIR, once the advancing side is in clean air, then you're good to go....depending on what way the blades are spinning will dictate what direction resolves the MRVR faster.
3rd, you have to LOWER the power / PITCH if altitude permits.
MRVR is not the same as SWP no matter what your r22 instructor says.
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Msg ID:
2818117 |
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Author:It’s not the using
5/29/2024 2:55:29 PM
Reply to: 2818104
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the Tailrotor to help with directional movement out of the "dirty air", it's the associated increase in power called for that shows a complete lack of understanding of fully developed VRS.
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Msg ID:
2818154 |
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Author:Retired
5/30/2024 6:23:20 PM
Reply to: 2818117
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In an old Bell product, I'm loading the rotor by kicking it out of trim while rolling inverted to show you how to loose alot of altitude really fast. You might need to loose altitiude fast if you're on fire. |
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Msg ID:
2818196 |
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Author: Definitely a loose loser
5/31/2024 10:13:57 AM
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Msg ID:
2818201 |
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Author:Ignorant
5/31/2024 10:49:44 AM
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but that's okay, it's expected. |
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Msg ID:
2821580 |
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Author:Umm,...
6/7/2024 2:21:37 PM
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How do you get low g doing vuchiard? |
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Msg ID:
2823245 |
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Author:It’s obvious
6/27/2024 1:41:43 PM
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Vuchard is a blow hard narcissis... change my mind |
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