Msg ID:
2814585 |
Helicopter pilot leaving cockpit +0/-5
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Author:Remote Location
5/10/2024 12:00:56 AM
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Guy's
Working in remote location ,can pilot leave cockpit during hot engine operation . To de board , board or refueling hot .
Do any company do that ? Is there any regulations prohibiting that ?
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Msg ID:
2814593 |
Helicopter pilot leaving cockpit +6/-4
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Author: Rael Imperial Aerosol Kid
5/10/2024 10:10:05 AM
Reply to: 2814585
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It's only permissible where pilots do not use indefinite articles or verbs in their sentences. Further, the no verb requirement can be waived if it is improperly conjugated. |
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Msg ID:
2814597 |
Helicopter pilot leaving cockpit +1/-3
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Author:Jez
5/10/2024 11:22:39 AM
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Ain't dat de truth. |
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Msg ID:
2814601 |
Helicopter pilot leaving cockpit +6/-2
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Author:Retired
5/10/2024 12:20:18 PM
Reply to: 2814585
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Every HEMS/HAA operator I worked for had an SOP in place for the pilot to leave the cockpit with the rotors turning if necessary. Usually on a scene call when there wasn't security available for the aircraft, typically to guard the tail rotor.
As long as the aircraft is at idle, with the collective locked down and the cyclic frictioned in a level attitude, it isn't too big a risk. The only advise I'd offer is:
Only do it if absolutely neccessary, and refueling usually isn't one of those times.
Be absolutely sure the collective lock is fuctioning properly! They have been know to get worn and not work well. That could be a disaster, even at idle!
Be sure to release the cyclic friction prior to trying to take off. (Unfortunately, the voice of experience talking) |
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Msg ID:
2814602 |
Helicopter pilot leaving cockpit +6/-1
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Author:Yep
5/10/2024 12:52:18 PM
Reply to: 2814585
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Yep, working utility in Alaska we used to always hot refuel ourselves. Or get out to hook up a line etc... Pretty common. |
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Msg ID:
2814605 |
Helicopter pilot leaving cockpit +10/-1
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Author:Yes
5/10/2024 1:42:27 PM
Reply to: 2814585
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Your judgement. Happens everyday all day in helicopter aviation. But if you're an idiot there are some risks. Don't be an idiot.
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Msg ID:
2814619 |
Helicopter pilot leaving cockpit +1/-2
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Author:Every day
5/10/2024 2:56:25 PM
Reply to: 2814605
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Happens all the time in utility. Type of aircraft plays a big part In how smart it is. Take precautions and realize there is a time and a place to do it. If it ever goes wrong it's a hard thing to justify. It's hard on the aircraft to be shutting down and starting up every 15 min. My general rule is anything over 20min I'm shutting down and won't restart until it's below starting temps. (unless it's a very bad place if it won't restart) If I got out, I got back in asap after doing whatever I got out for. |
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Msg ID:
2814620 |
Helicopter pilot leaving cockpit +2/-5
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Author:What does the RFM say?
5/10/2024 2:59:11 PM
Reply to: 2814585
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I bet it say 1 pilot required. Not worth it in my book. I just shut down if I need to get out. You do whatever works for you. |
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Msg ID:
2814621 |
Helicopter pilot leaving cockpit +9/-2
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Author:You’re an idiot
5/10/2024 3:04:35 PM
Reply to: 2814620
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There is not a single RFM that would ever state this not to mention you would never make it doing a real job with that private pilot drivel. |
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Msg ID:
2814622 |
Helicopter pilot leaving cockpit +0/-1
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Author:Air Methods
5/10/2024 3:09:27 PM
Reply to: 2814621
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Used to do it all the time to hot fuel with Air Methods. Someone must have done something silly and ruined it for the rest of it because they recently dissallowed it. |
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Msg ID:
2814624 |
Helicopter pilot leaving cockpit +4/-1
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Author:I would too
5/10/2024 3:11:16 PM
Reply to: 2814622
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At a company that big with that many pilots, it shouldn't be allowed. The percentage of idiot pilots goes up. Smart move. Lowest common denominator. |
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Msg ID:
2814631 |
Helicopter pilot leaving cockpit +4/-2
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Author:Pilot
5/10/2024 5:27:32 PM
Reply to: 2814620
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One pilot required, for flight. you don't have to be a pilot to run up an aircraft on the ground nor do you have to Have a pilot at the controls while it is idling on the ground for the RFM. |
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Msg ID:
2814726 |
Helicopter pilot leaving cockpit +0/-1
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Author:XRMH
5/12/2024 11:12:08 PM
Reply to: 2814620
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The RFM is talking about "flight" operations, not ground operations. If that were the case, how would non-rated maintenance people be able to do engine starts and run ups? |
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Msg ID:
2814623 |
Helicopter pilot leaving cockpit +4/-1
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Author:Here ya go
5/10/2024 3:09:47 PM
Reply to: 2814585
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1.) Make sure the aircraft is supported firmly by its weight on the ground/ level
2.) Never get out at flight RPM, only idle (duh)
3.) consider if you get out how that might affect the CG...the aircraft might rock back if it's not stable.
4.) make sure the collective is full down and frictioned/locked
5.) don't walk out and walk in to the tail rotor. |
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Msg ID:
2814627 |
Helicopter pilot leaving cockpit +1/-3
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Author:TXBill
5/10/2024 4:17:42 PM
Reply to: 2814585
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Always done on ferry flights in order to drain the lizard. |
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Msg ID:
2814632 |
Helicopter pilot leaving cockpit +0/-1
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Author:Slick
5/10/2024 5:39:35 PM
Reply to: 2814627
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The only damage I've seen to exiting a running aircraft is CG shift when pilot got out and pilot hitting the controls costing some excitement and minimul damage.
I worked for operators that say absolutely not and operatores who don't address the issue. If you screw something up, in either case,it's going to be on you, period. |
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Msg ID:
2814634 |
Helicopter pilot leaving cockpit +1/-1
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Author:Agusta Guy
5/10/2024 7:05:32 PM
Reply to: 2814632
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this is an accident ready to happen. |
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Msg ID:
2814640 |
Helicopter pilot leaving cockpit (NT) +0/-1
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Author:Come on!
5/10/2024 7:56:51 PM
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Msg ID:
2814641 |
Helicopter pilot leaving cockpit +0/-1
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Author:Come on!
5/10/2024 7:58:09 PM
Reply to: 2814640
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Used to do it all the time! Sometimes just to smoke a cigarett! Smoking in the cockpit wasn't allowed! |
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Msg ID:
2814646 |
Helicopter pilot leaving cockpit (NT) +0/-1
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Author:Yes in an Agusta of course..
5/10/2024 11:00:45 PM
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Msg ID:
2814647 |
Yeah he same company that complains (NT) +0/-1
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Author:About extra cycles…
5/10/2024 11:02:06 PM
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Msg ID:
2814659 |
That what this guy did +1/-0
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Author:And he's dead
5/11/2024 12:02:56 PM
Reply to: 2814627
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https://www.accidents.app/summaries/accident/20140518X03315
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Msg ID:
2814663 |
Helicopter pilot leaving cockpit +0/-1
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Author:Bell Fanboy
5/11/2024 2:32:03 PM
Reply to: 2814627
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My company wouldn't allow pets on board... |
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Msg ID:
2814651 |
Helicopter pilot leaving cockpit Bell 47 +0/-0
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Author:pilots
5/11/2024 8:21:08 AM
Reply to: 2814585
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Bell 47 pilots had a bad habit of servicing their own chemical spray rigs while the engine and rotors were turning.
They would sometimes walk behind the helicopter to get to the other side.... which means behind the tail rotor. I know of two instances where complacency set in....
....and the pilot walked into his own tail rotor.
I got my buttt severely chewed out for ducking under my tail boom while the helicopter was running. [PHI] I was lucky not to get fired. There was another pilot on board, ---- training in LFT. |
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Msg ID:
2814654 |
Helicopter pilot leaving cockpit Bell 47 +0/-1
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Author:lol
5/11/2024 9:21:32 AM
Reply to: 2814651
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dude walks under tail at PHI in training and still had a job. wow |
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Msg ID:
2814660 |
Helicopter pilot leaving cockpit Bell 47 +0/-0
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Author:Hmmm
5/11/2024 12:41:16 PM
Reply to: 2814651
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I'm pretty sure the day you had your butt chewed in PHI training they explained the reason they were adamant about crossing under the tail boom of a aircraft they told you the story of a PHI secretary losing her life when she was hit by the tailrotor. They also required G model pilots to shut down while refueling for the same reason.
I still miss G models. |
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Msg ID:
2814892 |
Helicopter pilot leaving cockpit Bell 47 +0/-0
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Author:PHI
5/16/2024 7:54:43 PM
Reply to: 2814651
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then was a free for all! Fun unless on the bad receiving end. |
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Msg ID:
2814667 |
Helicopter pilot leaving cockpit +0/-0
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Author:Chbortnik
5/11/2024 5:14:32 PM
Reply to: 2814585
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There is an Advisory Circular addressing this. |
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Msg ID:
2814953 |
It's my preference to get out now! Can't tell you how many times it's been +1/-0
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Author:a benefit while on-scene over not.
5/18/2024 9:26:38 AM
Reply to: 2814585
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Was reluctant at first, but after years of doing it, it has become a preference and makes me cringe when I see someone on-scene at an (EMS) LZ staying in the aircraft. They can's see behind them, and rely on others to secure the aircraft for departure when those others are preoccupied with their patient care and in a hurry!
The safety reports are full of incidents of seat belts hanging out, equipment (FOD) laying about, doors and panels unlatched. And, and security at the LZ is pitiful if you are relying on fire department personnel and police to keep it secure. Those guys literally have their heads up their butts and are too busy taking pictures or staring at the helicopter to see threats around them entering the LZ (pedestrians, vehicles, bicyclists, etc). Nearly ever LZ I go into I have to get their attention and point out LZ threats coming my way, many times from behind where you can't see them from the cockpit. And, even if you saw the threat from the cockpit, trying to get someone's attention outside to point it out is slim to nil.
Getting out has earned my preference to make my LZ a safer place! |
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Msg ID:
2814955 |
It's my preference to get out now! Can't tell you how many times it's been +0/-2
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Author:no the safety reports
5/18/2024 9:35:58 AM
Reply to: 2814953
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are not full of those incidents. you are a complete moron if you think a pilot should get out of a running aircraft and secure an lz. wut the hell are you even talking about bro |
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Msg ID:
2814960 |
You not getting out makes me cringe! (NT) +0/-1
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Author:Anonymous
5/18/2024 10:12:01 AM
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Msg ID:
2814958 |
It's my preference to get out now! Can't tell you how many times it's been +0/-0
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Author:lol
5/18/2024 9:55:34 AM
Reply to: 2814953
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I get out at every lz to point out all the hazards coming my way because wut |
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Msg ID:
2814959 |
Fvck Off! (NT) +0/-1
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Author:Anonymous
5/18/2024 10:10:27 AM
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Msg ID:
2815212 |
Hit by car on-scene +0/-0
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Author:Anonymous
5/23/2024 4:44:08 PM
Reply to: 2814958
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https://www.nbcnews.com/video/drunk-driver-hits-medical-helicopter-674937923699
Trooper reveals driver drive around their barricades all the time..... |
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Msg ID:
2822745 |
Helicopter pilot leaving cockpit +0/-0
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Author:AnswerMan
6/21/2024 3:06:04 AM
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Yes! |
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