You're missing that nobody cares that you are a CW4. 

Your pay is going to be based upon your total flight hours and that's pretty much it.  It does not matter where you flew those hours, only how many you have.  

pay is based on ems experience, not hours. nobody gives a crap how many hours you have as long as you have enough

He's a guy with zero EMS experience so a base pay will be calculated on his total flight hours.  BTDT.

you could have 2,000 hours or 20,000 hours but with no ems experience, you're starting AT STEP TWO.

28 years EMS.  What do you get for that?

that's what you get 

that's the pay. a geo mod and a stipend can bring it up to 110 or better but you'll need it

is on your EXPERIENCE you bring...if your a 4000hrs pilot with prior or current EMS experience with Goggle time, SPIFR, 407 EMS, Astar or EC EMS....etc, yeah you will get paid more as a New Hire somewhere at a higher pay scale, then a person straight out of the army with Zero EMS experience (army medivac doesn't count).

 If you don't have any EMS experience, you will get paid on your Hours only IF you meet it....sorry CW4 thats how it works in the civilan world.....trying going to Utility...they will higher someone with Longline experience and pay them more, than someone who has Hawk time with No LongLine experieence....fact..harder to train someone on Longline work and get them carded than someone who doesnt and train them longer...

throwing out the CW4 attitude...bro stay out of EMS....you will self destruct walking into your base saying,  "i was a CW4 in the army ..blah blah"....no one cares your military career....guess what, you are a Army pilot and fly the line on the civilarn side...I am a civilian and never flew in the military and doing the same job as you bro....tells you something.....go fly OG then....MTC btw, pays more than $88k...you bring NO EMS experience hence you are at the bottom of the food chain...i flew EMS for 10yrs with someone else and went to MTC...and got offerend $98k at the top of the pay scale for experience....your CW4 flying hawks, or apaches means nothing in the civilian world...a guy flying a 407 or astar or EC with time in it will get paid more than you....

you now know to look elsewhere. 

if you can't do anything else, then come to EMS and embrace the suck. 

Nobody cares about your military time, it's nothing special. Maybe you should have stayed in if you loved the CW4 pay.

I'll give you advice most of you helo guys don't have the courage to take. Go get your fw ratings, be a professional, and go fly jets. Your bank account and the respect you get will go to places you never thought it would.

or you could just fly EMS, pretend you're a hero, look tough walking around in your flight suit and wearing a helmet, and tell all the med crew how amazing you are. Then waste the next 20 years coming to this stupid forum whining about your union and pay.

Your choice.

military time gets a lot of respect. military pilots are well trained, disciplined and good to work with. employers know this.

Legend in your own mind. Some of the most poorly prepared and skilled guys coming into EMS are military guys. You guys are in an echo chamber. You aren't special, at best at a deficit. Your experience doesn't mean anytbing and it's not special. Watched you guys come out of the military and take your first solo flight and look like a little puppy dog, but aren't afraid to tell us all right after your dismal performance about the Blackhawk you flew LOL

Fact remains one huge reason the pay isn't what you expect is because of YOU. You military guys take your pension and retirement (entitled to you ofcourse) and accept a substandard salary in the civi world. 

happy to have a job

manage to get a 145 into LTE and crash a month ago?

No truer words have been said.

I enjoy coming here to remind myself I'll never work for an EMS or offshore company etc. ever again and will never find myself needing to. 

Go get your fw ratings, be a professional, and go fly jets. Your bank account and the respect you get will go to places you never thought it would.

Best advise I've read on this forum, unfortunately, your average helicopter pilot isn't motivated or smart enough to meet requirements necessary to fly the airlines. 

Most companies play hardball and will let you walk before they give you the top of the pay scale as a new hire. Med Trans base range is from $85.5k to $93.5k

One guy was offered $87k at Metro and walked out of the interview in Shreveport  dissappointed after flying accross the country to get there. Before he got to the airport they called him with $102k which included $5k for health insurance that he didn't need.

Sometimes the hospital is kicking in additional $$ to get the best candidates, so you got to do your research. Try and visit a base and ask about what others got. Then go in knowing how low you will go. Sometimes its best to give them a number before you go to the interview so you don't waste anybodys time.

Good Luck with the job hunt.

The army is desperate for bodies, go back and get as much Active Duty as you can.

after a lifetime of living in and making a living from a socialist system, which is what the military really is, and a lifetime of cheerleading for capitalism, you are now being confronted with the realities of what capitalism is,what capitalism does, and how it does it. and you b * t c  h  and moan. Reap it, baby. 

We all get it, you're not confident in yourself.

kinda missed ya, mouse. work release?

aren't missing much h other than military flying is not civil flying.  No one cares about your military time.  Your usefulness in civil aviation is in how you know what to do and when to do it in civil interests.  That is not taught in the military environment.  There's a learning curve.  Good luck.

25 years in EMS. My wonderful base pay after all these years is about 128k. 

Run

This airplane craze is worth the gamble. 

It's a no brainer.

Ask for a raise. Unless you're union then quit and reapply at a higher step or something I dunno sucks to be you.

level the field check how helicopter pilot pay in buying power, aka inflation, has largely been eroded over the last 50 years.  It's a fun exercise and will really help everyone's decision making.

It is centric around three major factors:  How many paying people [pax] the aircraft is loaded with for reimbursement;

The HAA position as a compliment to the retired military pilots who have a [well earned] lifetime retirement.  Most of those guys will work for next to nothing so they can still fly.  That brings the salaries down for everyone.  The operators I have seen don't or won't recognize that although our profession is pretty cool, it is still used to make a living and take care of our families; and

Those operators who believe that piloting their aircraft is somehow an extraordinary privilege, rather than providing the high salary and respect to professional pilots who have worked hard and earned it. 

Been in HAA since the late 80's and not only do operators not pay a livable salary [in most cases] they don't even come close to meeting just the COL adjustments.  The old saying, "I have a stack of resumes' on my desk, so I really don't care if you quit..." is still alive and well.

v/r

they don't have a stack of resumes. you may notice all the open postions

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