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Msg ID: 2810326 Logging instrument time +9/-3     
Author:Really CFII's
3/20/2024 10:44:54 PM
You can't log instrument time while you are teaching unless you are actually in the clouds. And you aren't taking your single engine pistons in the clouds now are you. "I have 1200 hrs and 75hrs instrument". No you dont, unless you are logging illegally or you took 75hrs to get your instrument rating.


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Msg ID: 2810331 Logging instrument time +0/-9     
Author:well newbie
3/21/2024 6:57:15 AM

Reply to: 2810326

at my company, we log instrument when on a clearance and instrument time in the weather so you may want to dial it back bro



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Msg ID: 2810332 Logging instrument time +12/-1     
Author:Ok
3/21/2024 7:58:02 AM

Reply to: 2810331

You do not get to log instrument time just because you are on a clearance.  There is more to it. You might want to dial it up and look at the regulation. 



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Msg ID: 2810574 Logging instrument time +1/-2     
Author:IFR
3/24/2024 9:11:35 AM

Reply to: 2810331

time is that on a clearance and IMC.  IMC time is in the cloud without a clearance - and yes, it can be done legally in the US, just a tad remote.  

Also the IMC bit depends on the country and registration of the aircraft you fly (with appropriate license, etc.).  

Lot of pilots with a boatload of IMC time legally garnered overseas in remote areas.  Depending on the circumstance it can be quite a learning experience.

Time to chime in with all the valuable input!!



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Msg ID: 2810961 Logging instrument time +0/-0     
Author:61.51
3/30/2024 12:33:54 PM

Reply to: 2810331

(g) Logging instrument time.

(1) A person may log instrument time only for that flight time when the person operates the aircraft solely by reference to instruments under actual or simulated instrument flight conditions.

v/r



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Msg ID: 2810336 Logging instrument time +3/-2     
Author:Slug
3/21/2024 8:43:02 AM

Reply to: 2810326

Pretty simple.  All you need to add is no visible horizon and that would equate IMC.  

 

(g) Logging instrument time.

(1) A person may log instrument time only for that flight time when the person operates the aircraft solely by reference to instruments under actual or simulated instrument flight conditions.

(2) An authorized instructor may log instrument time when conducting instrument flight instruction in actual instrument flight conditions.

(3) For the purposes of logging instrument time to meet the recent instrument experience requirements of § 61.57(c) of this part, the following information must be recorded in the person's logbook—

(i) The location and type of each instrument approach accomplished; and

(ii) The name of the safety pilot, if required.

(4) A person may use time in a full flight simulator, flight training device, or aviation training device for acquiring instrument aeronautical experience for a pilot certificate or rating provided an authorized instructor is present to observe that time and signs the person's logbook or training record to verify the time and the content of the training session.

(5) A person may use time in a full flight simulator, flight training device, or aviation training device for satisfying instrument recency experience requirements provided a logbook or training record is maintained to specify the training device, time, and the content.



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Msg ID: 2810339 "Horizon" has nothing to do with it! (NT) +0/-1     
Author:Absolutely nothing!
3/21/2024 10:14:03 AM

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Msg ID: 2810342 "Horizon" has nothing to do with it!  +0/-1     
Author:inspectordetector
3/21/2024 10:27:47 AM

Reply to: 2810339

Time on a clearance may or may not be instrument time. 



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Msg ID: 2810352 "Horizon" has nothing to do with it!  +0/-2     
Author:This guy
3/21/2024 11:53:58 AM

Reply to: 2810339

Is right. Why don't you read the reg again buddy....with that foot in your mouth now, it's prolly for the best you know what you're talking about before trying to argue...



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Msg ID: 2810363 "Horizon" has nothing to do with it!  +1/-2     
Author:anony
3/21/2024 12:38:29 PM

Reply to: 2810352

Most pilots by the time they get their IFR rating and CFII rating are around 75 hours of simulated instrument time.  Even at my former highly structured 145 flight school most pilots were about 65 hours to finish the rating, some who didnt study as much had more.  CFII should go fairly quickly with only a few flights so thats not unrealistic.  I just added an extra column in my logbook after that for logging how much time I spent teaching IFR as a CFII, since we couldnt fly in the clouds for real I just kept that column so If I was going to go get another instructing job at the time I had something to show that I actually was using my CFII vs only doing Private/Comm instructing.



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Msg ID: 2810371 "Horizon" has nothing to do with it!  +0/-5     
Author:Wow
3/21/2024 1:13:55 PM

Reply to: 2810363
I was 51hrs for my instrument and CFII rating. How is it taking people 75hrs.


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Msg ID: 2810381 "Horizon" has nothing to do with it!  +0/-2     
Author:51 hours
3/21/2024 2:40:07 PM

Reply to: 2810371

seems like a lot too



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Msg ID: 2810800 "Horizon" has nothing to do with it!  +0/-1     
Author:...all about
3/27/2024 10:06:44 AM

Reply to: 2810339

"solely by reference to instruments"...  If that is required be careful about logging it.  Stuff happens but so do company and other types of log book reviews.



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Msg ID: 2810812 A VFR pilot cannot log instrument time as the only pilot on board +0/-1     
Author:or "practice approaches" that count
3/27/2024 11:07:39 AM

Reply to: 2810800

towards any currency.

 

To log IFR time means you ain't looking out the window to see-and-avoid other aircraft!



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Msg ID: 2810815 A VFR pilot cannot log instrument time as the only pilot on board +0/-1     
Author:thanks for that
3/27/2024 12:05:00 PM

Reply to: 2810812

your instructor will be so proud of you 



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Msg ID: 2810365 Logging instrument time +1/-0     
Author:Pilot/Controller Glossary
3/21/2024 12:48:43 PM

Reply to: 2810336

INSTRUMENT METEOROLOGICAL CONDITIONS- Meteorological conditions expressed in terms of visibility, distance from cloud, and ceiling less than the minima specified for visual meteorological conditions.



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Msg ID: 2810382 Logging instrument time +6/-0     
Author:OG
3/21/2024 2:44:22 PM

Reply to: 2810326

This is a typical pilot "so what" argument. If you have serious instrument time you know what operating with no horizon and no ground contact is all about. How much time you try to torture into the instrument catagory is not relevant. You may be in for a wakeup call when you trully have to operate the aircaft with instruments as your sole source of control. It is also amazing how hood time doesn't really do justice to being in the clouds and depending on an instrument approach to return to VFR.

I guess my point is don't get wrapped up with how much instrument time you have logged. Instrument proficiency is what you should worry about. If you don't know the IFR rules cold, can't fly comfortably in the clouds and complete instrument approaches to low minimums you are not an instrument pilot. How much you have "logged" doesn't keep the greasy side down.  



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Msg ID: 2810483 Logging instrument time +0/-2     
Author:anony
3/22/2024 8:52:58 PM

Reply to: 2810382

I stand corrected, I had to go back and look it was 43.2 for Instrument and another 6.2 for CFII so I was done with 49.4.  I over guestimated how many hours it was taking people to get through, probably close to 50-60 total.  I had access to a simulator that helped saved time and money.



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Msg ID: 2810523 Logging instrument time +1/-1     
Author:Anon-e
3/23/2024 3:42:35 PM

Reply to: 2810483

You should get an award, trophy, medal, or at least some kind of coin for your accomplishment... right?

It is certainly possible to pass a test at minimums, but you really only need to be a C+ pilot to pass that test with most DPE because they realize you're a very long way from anyone paying you to take a rotorcraft into IMC on purpose. 

Maybe the DPE who signed you off was one of the loose ones? 

Maybe some guys don't want to take that test until they feel highly confident in their ability, and are willing to absorb the extra cost?

Maybe they went to a rip-off flight school and had a crap instructor? 

Maybe the guy who takes 65 hours of hood time to get his CFII is a slow learner, or maybe he's a future Ace who prefers to take serious things seriously and is far more interested in developing skill than just punching a ticket to fast track their career... many things are possible. 

I had around 45-48 sim. Inst. hours (some of which was FTD) when I passed my IFR ride in 2005, but I flew commercially in various roles for nearly a decade after before the opportunity to routinely fly IMC on purpose was presented. Whether someone passed an IFR ride at 40 hours or 70 hours doesn't necessarily tell you much about their potential, especially in the United States. 



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