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Msg ID: 2805855 PSA/FYI +3/-4     
Author:For all you new
2/22/2024 3:05:22 AM

407 pilots who just got helisas.

 

There's a Switch on the cyclic labeled FTR.  That means Force Trim Release. 

 

You don't have to keep pressing the sas button on the center console controller to engage and disengage sas

when you want to hand fly.  You can leave it engaged and press that FTR button all you want.  It's the same

as disengaging sas or going to stby.  You don't have to keep engaging and disengaging the SAS.   That's just

retarded. 

 

I know some of you will think this is stupid, but I had to explain this to a new guy this week. 

 

He was flying with sas engaged, then when he wanted to land on the platform he'd fly his circle around with sas in stby, land and then hit the engage sas to hold his cyclic stick for him while off loading pax and playing on the ipad.  Then he would disengage sas, takeoff hand flying and then try to engage sas in cruise again.  I don't know who trained the fella, but all I could say was W-T-F?

 

Then he's saying a few times during the day it refused to engage when he landed and then again on climb out.

And I'm like well, you wore it out bro.  It got tired of you flying it backwards from what it was intended for.

 

From the book. 

Engage sas

Pull pitch and hover, cruise, land......all with sas engaged green light.

Once landed, go stby.  white light.  and use the cyclic friction knob if you need to let go of the stick.

 

That's the proper procedure as per the book.

 

Any deviation and you are asking for problems.



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Msg ID: 2805857 PSA/FYI +1/-1     
Author:Heli pilot
2/22/2024 6:53:32 AM

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I'd be a little concerned about flying behind that guy. If hes clueless about the SAS, what else is clueless about?



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Msg ID: 2805870 PSA/FYI +0/-1     
Author:wut you mean by
2/22/2024 10:43:19 AM

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flying behind 



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Msg ID: 2805876 So what?  +0/-1     
Author:Stick Wiggler
2/22/2024 11:53:15 AM

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Sounds like he wanted to hand fly the takeoff and approach, what's wrong with that? And the sas works great for a quick on/off friction.


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Msg ID: 2805904 So what?  +0/-1     
Author:incompetent
2/22/2024 3:18:48 PM

Reply to: 2805876

If he has 206 or 407 time with no sas and this is his first time with it,he probably can't do an approach or land for crap with sas on. troll question answered?



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Msg ID: 2805974 So what?  +1/-0     
Author:Quick
2/23/2024 11:00:28 AM

Reply to: 2805876

on/off friction?  Best not do that.  IF you have a SAS actuator runaway in pitch or roll the rotor disc is going to move, hopefully not towards anyone walking under the disc, assuming such a runaway could lower the turning disc to head height.  In my career I had one such even after landing, that, in 22K hours.  Remote, but who wants to be in court over whacking someone with a rotor blade?

Land, disengage stability systems, friction cyclic or have PNH hold cyclical centered, disembark/embark, reverse sequence, etc.



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Msg ID: 2805879 PSA/FYI +1/-0     
Author:yeah, he wore it out
2/22/2024 12:20:57 PM

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bro that's exactly wut happened. 



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Msg ID: 2805893 PSA/FYI +2/-1     
Author:for sarcastic bro
2/22/2024 2:37:27 PM

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Msg ID: 2805894 PSA/FYI +0/-1     
Author:if you follow my
2/22/2024 2:39:14 PM

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no dumbass policy, we won't need yours



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Msg ID: 2805939 PSA/FYI +0/-1     
Author:says the guy
2/22/2024 7:28:01 PM

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who probably can't figure out why his helisas won't engage for him.....



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