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2805537 |
Hey union boy. Hate to be the bearer of bad news for you but +1/-1
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Author:the CBA you speak of has this:
2/17/2024 4:56:34 PM
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Very specific requirement in the Article/Section you cited:
Training scheduled during periods when a pilot is normally scheduled to work at a base require approval by the Regional Aviation Director.
That goes directly against your message to pilots claiming otherwise! You actually do have to get approval by the RAD to schedule it on your normal work-shift days. And, by approval, that means he can approve it, -OR- disapprove it!
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Msg ID:
2805538 |
Hey union boy. Hate to be the bearer of bad news for you but +0/-1
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Author:Just be
2/17/2024 5:04:46 PM
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A good boy and do as your told. Or go work elsewhere |
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2805545 |
Hey union boy. Hate to be the bearer of bad news for you but +1/-0
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Author:Wrong .
2/17/2024 6:59:54 PM
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Pilot is not required have their self scheduled dates “pre-approved” by the RAD or to seek “prior” permission when initially
part of CBA ..
yes I am a pilot at AMC |
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Msg ID:
2805546 |
you don't get to go to recurrent training g on a normal workday +0/-1
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Author:unless and until RAD approves it
2/17/2024 7:06:21 PM
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that is, by definition, pre-approval. Your skill at reading the CBA you negotiated is very disappointing |
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2805550 |
False. The final decision on when a pilot chooses to go to recurrent is +1/-0
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Author:The pilot and training department
2/17/2024 8:20:48 PM
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Pilot will attempt to schedule and shall endeavor to schedule on an off work day, but is not required to attend during that Period. You forgot to quote the rest of the section which is three paragraphs long....maybe you're the RAD who botched their improper "beg me for permission" and mother may I memo....spreadsheet and all. Partial truth is actually a lie. |
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2805557 |
That is not what the CBA says. +0/-0
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Author:Here is it verbadim
2/17/2024 9:54:01 PM
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Seems pretty cut and dry! RAD is the approval authority for scheduling such training during your normally scheduled work periods! Without his approval, it's not approved! Nothing give the pilot the final decision, as you claim, nor the Training Department.
C. The Training Department is responsible for scheduling training dates and locations. Pilots shall attempt to schedule training during off-shift periods. Training scheduled during periods when a pilot is normally scheduled to work at a base require approval by the Regional Aviation Director. A Pilot participating in centralized training will be provided with the ability to self-schedule during his early and base month up to one hundred and eighty (180) calendar days prior and no later than sixty (60) days prior to the first day of his base month and is encouraged to schedule this training during his off-shift period. If a Pilot fails to self-schedule training prior to the sixty (60) day period that is prior to the first day of his base month the Company will schedule the Pilot for mandatory training dates and times. A Pilot participating in decentralized training will have such training scheduled at the Company’s discretion based on aircraft or instructor availability.
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Msg ID:
2805562 |
Definitely management. Read the whole paragraph and then para D. +1/-0
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Author:Pilot& training dept are FINAL authority
2/17/2024 10:45:25 PM
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Pilot is not even required to notify the RAD of when they schedule training and the pilot is not required to ask for permission prior to self scheduling. seems clear the pilot self schedules. If the rad doesn't like it, they can say no and now it's between the pilot and training department. Doesn't get any easier than that..... |
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Msg ID:
2805566 |
Me thinks union leader is trying to make stuff up that ain't there! (NT) +2/-1
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Author:He's like that!
2/17/2024 10:56:14 PM
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Msg ID:
2805569 |
ill trust the people who actually negotiated the contract and dont (NT) +1/-0
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Author:play lawyer tough guy on JH
2/18/2024 12:02:21 AM
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Msg ID:
2805583 |
The contract is easy to read, and it dosn't support the union leader's +0/-1
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Author:silly message to everyone
2/18/2024 12:42:26 AM
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You need RAD's approval to schedule recurrent training on your regular shift days! It is a very clear and explicit requirement in 15.1 C, no matter how much you try to tap dance around it! |
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Msg ID:
2805586 |
The contract is easy to read, and it support the unions (NT) +0/-1
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Author:message clearly and without dispute
2/18/2024 12:46:45 AM
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Msg ID:
2805588 |
Thanks for confirming the union email was correct and they (NT) +1/-0
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Author:the union is 100% in the right
2/18/2024 12:48:49 AM
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Msg ID:
2805596 |
How was that confirming such silliness? (NT) +0/-0
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Author:Anonymous
2/18/2024 1:47:00 AM
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Msg ID:
2805565 |
Sorry, but para D is only applicable after approved/scheduled, and +0/-1
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Author:Here's that language verbadim:
2/17/2024 10:55:18 PM
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You only got to papa D after you've already had it scheduled and can't make it for one of the specific reasons stated. But, to get that far, you first must have it scheduled, which requires approval from the RAD if it is on a normally scheduled workday. And, even if you go to para D, it still requires RAD approval if the new dates are on a normally scheduled workday.
So, stop telling everyone in your silly emails that the RAD is misleading everyone and making up stuff in the contract that's not there (like Steps 1 and 2 and 3)
Verbadim:
If a Pilot is unable to attend training during the scheduled training dates due to illness, injury, a reasonable unforeseen absence, or previously approved excused absence, the Pilot will promptly notify the Training Department, and the Training Department and the Pilot will agree to alternative dates to complete the training.
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Msg ID:
2805568 |
Point proven. Now cite where it says pilots need prior approval to +1/-0
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Author:schedule training? it doesn't
2/18/2024 12:01:06 AM
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Union letter was pretty clear, its just who who's not getting it because you are the same union troll....and are always proven wrong time and time again.
Heres another one for you. Wheres the reference that says the RAD ever has to approve your training and just doesnt let you go uncurrent, or that they cannot deny your requeat to attend on your off time? See, your argument is wrong and understanding and comprhension are hard for you.
Let the big boys and girls handle business... |
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Msg ID:
2805579 |
It requires approval if it is on a regular workday (shift) +0/-0
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Author:not other times!
2/18/2024 12:28:49 AM
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If the pilot self-schedules himself at a time he is normally off, no approval is needed. If he self-schedules himself on at a time he is normally working, he needs approval. Call it approval, pre-approval, whatever, but it isn't approved until it's approved. Simple!
Union letter was not clear, and full of nonsense! Steps 1, 2, 3?? Nonsense! Isn't in the CBA that way, you're making stuff up there.
15.1 C says the RAD "Training scheduled during periods when a pilot is normally scheduled to work at a base require approval by the Regional Aviation Director." RAD doesn't have to approve training scheduled where you've scheduled on your off week. Only for your on week.
If you are outside the 60 day period, you are free to pick dates whenever you wish, and seek RAD's approval for times you've picked that conflict with your shift days. CBA doesn't mandate him approving those dates, it gives RAD total discretion. If you don't pick dates outside the 60 days, they will pick them for you! It becomes mandatory at that point.
If your currency lapses because you don't go training before it lapses, it's on you per 15.1 B You'll be on unpaid leave until you get current. |
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Msg ID:
2805571 |
explain the terms endeavor and attempt. does that mean required (NT) +1/-0
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Author:shall, must, etc.
2/18/2024 12:04:01 AM
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Msg ID:
2805580 |
It means if there are dates available and you don't take them +0/-1
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Author:you didn't endeavor to do so!
2/18/2024 12:31:00 AM
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You'll lose the grievance! The CBA doesn't say anything about the company must endeavor to schedule you for training on your work day either! So, again, you'll lose the grievance |
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Msg ID:
2805587 |
but am I required to attend only on my off week? if the RAD says no, who's (NT) +1/-0
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Author:at fault for not endeavoring?
2/18/2024 12:47:40 AM
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Msg ID:
2805624 |
you are! for missing opportunities you had on your (NT) +0/-0
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Author:OFF weeks. the onus is on you!
2/18/2024 11:59:57 AM
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Msg ID:
2805574 |
That is not what the CBA says. +0/-0
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Author:I wonder why
2/18/2024 12:09:11 AM
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It says training scheduled and not attempted to be scheduled. Guess we'll never know. |
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Msg ID:
2805575 |
Thats exactly what the CBA says (NT) +0/-0
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Author:Your comprehension lacks
2/18/2024 12:20:33 AM
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Msg ID:
2805576 |
We should all schedule recurrent on work shifts and see how that goes (NT) +0/-0
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Author:for the RAD's.
2/18/2024 12:21:09 AM
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Msg ID:
2805577 |
Flood RAD's with request to go to recurrent even on our off time +2/-0
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Author:requires permission per section 17.1(4)
2/18/2024 12:24:46 AM
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anytime you work more than 14 days straight you have to have RAD approval. recurrent is 19 days straight. So, lets all flood their emails with request. When they deny it and you go uncurrent, they will be liable and have to explain why to the company and to your lawyer. I bet the Pilot wins that case. |
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Msg ID:
2805582 |
That was the RAD's other memo! If you are working >14 consecutive +0/-1
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Author:(which you won't be doing unless...
2/18/2024 12:36:10 AM
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you are unprepared or bust your training rides. Your off for 7 in a row, and training is only 5 including the travel! So, not likely you'll be >14 unless you've been doing workovers too |
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Msg ID:
2805584 |
Nice! So I dont need prior approval of a RAD to schedule recurrent on my +1/-0
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Author:off time and I also dont need it
2/18/2024 12:44:34 AM
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to attend recurrent because its less than 14 consecuitve days. In other words I can self schedule my recurrent on my own and I am not requried to notify or ask permission from a RAD prior to scheduling it. If the RAD denies the request now I only have to endeavor to schedule it on my off time, I am not required. Totally makes sense now. The RAD language was total fluff language to make them feel like they have any real authority over my time off. Oh, and even if Im scheduled inside of 60 days by the company, if I cant make it to those dates its is up to me and the training department to reschedule, again not up to the RAD. |
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Msg ID:
2805592 |
Nice! So I dont need prior approval of a RAD to schedule recurrent on my +0/-0
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Author:(see the blue)
2/18/2024 1:03:25 AM
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to attend recurrent because its less than 14 consecuitve days.
Correct
In other words I can self schedule my recurrent on my own and I am not requried to notify or ask permission from a RAD prior to scheduling it.
Correct, unless it is on one of your regularly scheduled work days (shifts) at your base. Then you do need permission.
If the RAD denies the request now I only have to endeavor to schedule it on my off time,
Correct, and if there are openings on your off time, like the first time you self-scheduled it, you SHALL sign up for them.
I am not required.
Not wanting to is not endevoring to! IOWs, you are required if it's available. Not wanting to work on a day off is not a valid claim when you are required to endevor to do so.
Totally makes sense now.
Cool!
The RAD language was total fluff language to make them feel like they have any real authority over my time off.
The RAD language was what can require if he want, since it is his discretion to approve / disapprove all requests to schedule training on a regularly scheduled work period (shift). Noting "fluff" about it, and they actually do have real authority over approving and disapproving it!
Oh, and even if Im scheduled inside of 60 days by the company, if I cant make it to those dates its is up to me and the training department to reschedule, again not up to the RAD.
Not exactly. It up to you and the Training Department to agree on dates, and if those dates are on your normally scheduled shift dates, 15.1 C the RAD's approval shall be needed! That straight forward explicit requirment didn't evaporate! And, also remember, if you can't attend those mandatory training dates they assign you, and you lapse, you go on UNPAID leave until you get trained, since you could have endevored to do it on your OFF days. |
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Msg ID:
2805622 |
That was a lot of writing just to admit your are wrong and give another (NT) +0/-0
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Author:Wrong interpretation
2/18/2024 11:56:09 AM
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Msg ID:
2805627 |
Not wrong. And, how did I "admit" I was? (NT) +0/-0
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Author:Anonymous
2/18/2024 12:25:42 PM
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Msg ID:
2805573 |
Here's the Union letter and your whiney post only support +1/-0
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Author:the Union position. Thanks!
2/18/2024 12:06:13 AM
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Communication was recently sent out by AMC management that has caused some confusion with Pilots scheduling their recurrent training. The messaging seemed to imply that a Pilot is “required” to schedule and attend recurrent training only during their off time, and that a Pilot is required to get “Pre-approval” from their RAD prior to self-scheduling their recurrent training. Neither of these statements are complete or accurate leading to the confusion and some misinterpretation of the actual rules set forth in the CBA.
To provide some background, during contract negotiations the Company proposed that Pilots would be required to attend recurrent training only on their off time. The Union counter proposed that a Pilot would then be required to receive no less than 12 hours of workover pay, if they were required to attend recurrent training only during their off time. The Company did not agree to pay for the minimum of 12 hours of workover, and the Union did not agree to the Company’s proposal to "require" a Pilot attend recurrent training only during their off-time. In the end, concessions were made by both parties, which led to the current language in the CBA.
Like workover, the rules for scheduling recurrent training are sequential and laid out in a step-by-step process in Article 15, Section 15.1.
Below is clarification on the self-scheduling process, as outlined in the current CBA. (reference CBA Article 15, Section 15.1)
Step 1-PILOT 'SELF' SCHEDULES: The training department is responsible for scheduling recurrent training by means of the Pilot self-scheduling themselves (currently via CompleteFlight), and by their "attempting" to schedule recurrent during their off-shift time.
Step 2-RAD APPROVAL, 'IF' REQUIRED: If a "Pilot" self-schedules recurrent training on their normally scheduled work shift period, the RAD is then required to identify this via the training calendar and either “approve” that request, or to deny it advancing it to the next step of the process. A Pilot is not required have their self scheduled dates “pre-approved” by the RAD or to seek “prior” permission when initially self-scheduling with the "training department." With that said, prior approval or notice to the RAD would not be unwarranted for the sake of mutual cooperation and is always highly encouraged by the Union, but again it is not required. We were very specific about this language during negotiations, which led to the terms "attempt to" and "encouraged" being in Section 15.1, much like the term "endeavor" is used in other citations within the Agreement.
The Union continues to encourage that Pilots self schedule on their off-time to minimize potential out-of-service time and we also encourage Management (the RAD's) to be reasonable and respectful to Pilot availability and their obligations during their "off" work time.
Step 3- SELF RE-RESCHEDULE, NO RAD APPROVAL REQUIRED:
If the RAD denies the initial request to attend recurrent training on a normally scheduled shift period, the Pilot is then only "encouraged" to re-schedule their recurrent training on their off-shift period(s). Again, “encouraged,” not required. At this point, the RAD is out of the process per the CBA and it is now exclusively between the Pilot and the Training Department to "agree" to "alternate dates."
NOTE: THE 60-DAY MARK: If a Pilot fails to self-schedule their recurrent training 60 days prior to the first day of their base month, the "Company" can assign “mandatory” recurrent training dates.
Remember, it is your duty to maintain your currency and schedule training in a timely manner in accordance with the CBA. It is also the obligation and duty of the training department and management to not impede or restrict your ability to maintain and meet your currency requirements based on your availability and the rules set forth on the CBA.
By working together, keeping each other informed, and being 'reasonable' with each other, we can mitigate much of the confusion and any potential conflicts in the best interest of everyone involved.
If you have issues with a manager or the training department not cooperating with your availability or being unreasonable with your schedule, please do not hesitate to contact your Regional Steward immediately. |
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Msg ID:
2805578 |
Why doesn't the CBA specifically say scheduling requires pre-approval or +1/-0
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Author:prior approval? Answer...
2/18/2024 12:26:21 AM
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because its not required, thats why. |
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Msg ID:
2805581 |
It is if you are trying to schedule training on a regularly scheduled shift (NT) +0/-1
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Author:it is required then!
2/18/2024 12:33:08 AM
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Msg ID:
2805585 |
No, I can schedule whenever I want. It just gives a RAD the option to not +1/-0
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Author:approve the first "attempt"
2/18/2024 12:46:03 AM
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after that, I only have to endeavor to schedule on my off week. black and white in the CBA. Youre right, this thing is super easy to read and understand. |
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Msg ID:
2805593 |
There you go again making stuff up! +0/-0
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Author:It's not in the contract that way!
2/18/2024 1:10:49 AM
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The RAD's approval is needed anytime you are trying to skip out on your regularly scheduled shift to go to training! |
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Msg ID:
2805594 |
There you go again making stuff up! +0/-0
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Author:Skip out?
2/18/2024 1:15:05 AM
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It's better in the end for the company to bring a pool guy in and pay him base pay while I'm also at training getting paid base pay. Any cash they're saving stealing 5 days of my off time is lost in the overtime they have to pay me per 15.5A. |
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2805595 |
That's why you're requred to get RAD approval first! +0/-0
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Author:It their call! And, yes, skip!
2/18/2024 1:37:19 AM
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You are attempting to substitute your work shift for a training day. You're schedule is at your base, and is a 12-hr shift. It is not a training day. Matter of fact, training is expressly excluded from your obligation to provide 182.5 shifts per year.
Appendix A
Work Shift: The Pilot’s salary is based upon 182 ½ work shifts per year. A “work shift” is defined as a minimum of twelve (12) and up to a fourteen (14) hours of duration. A “work shift” does not include training, meetings and travel to or from training or meetings on an off work day.
So, you are trying to skip on the scheduled work shift by substituting a training or travel day in as one of your work shifts at the base, and that would need RAD approval. Maybe they have coverage, maybe they don't, so it's up to the RAD to decide whether to keep you on your assigned work schedule, or allow you to skip out on it for training.
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Msg ID:
2805597 |
That's why you're requred to get RAD approval first! +0/-0
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Author:Poor RAD
2/18/2024 1:47:36 AM
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Then I'll make sure to get my off-duty day request in right at that 180 days early so he has half a year to figure out how to do his job and arrange coverage! If not it's a good thing I have sick days accrued to recoup my time off! |
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Msg ID:
2805621 |
Imagine if that term was working “with” or “alongside” how much better off (NT) +0/-0
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Author:And if we just followed the CBA
2/18/2024 11:54:23 AM
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2805632 |
RAD is trying to help you follow the CBA here, in a timelier fashion (NT) +0/-0
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Author:since you need his approval
2/18/2024 12:35:34 PM
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Msg ID:
2805676 |
Not what the CBA says. No preapproval needed and they have 1 shot to say no (NT) +0/-0
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Author:After that. No RAD needed
2/18/2024 11:47:13 PM
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Msg ID:
2805683 |
It say's very clearly in 15.1C that you do! +0/-0
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Author:Anonymous
2/19/2024 5:15:39 AM
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Training scheduled during periods when a pilot is normally scheduled to work at a base require approval by the Regional Aviation Director. |
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2805686 |
It say's very clearly in 15.1C that you DONT! (NT) +0/-0
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Author:Self schedule when you want!
2/19/2024 7:26:50 AM
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Msg ID:
2805690 |
on your days off, correct! (NT) +0/-0
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Author:Anonymous
2/19/2024 8:03:48 AM
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Msg ID:
2805731 |
No requirement to even notify RAD when self scheduling. It’s on them +0/-0
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Author:To do their job. Mine is “self” schedule
2/20/2024 12:08:54 AM
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And no prior permission is required |
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Msg ID:
2805732 |
Your job is to maintain your qualifications (NT) +0/-0
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Author:oiutsid of your 182.5 shifts per year
2/20/2024 12:12:01 AM
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Msg ID:
2805735 |
Your job is to maintain your qualifications +0/-0
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Author:You're real hung up on that 182.5 shifts
2/20/2024 12:18:18 AM
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Does that number take into account vacation and sick time? |
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Msg ID:
2805740 |
No it does not. And that why you are trying to filch time from the company +0/-0
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Author:by training on a normal work dya
2/20/2024 9:49:43 AM
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Your pay is based on you working at the base 182.5 shifts per year, or 2190 hours, covering the base's revenue operation. And, according to the CBA (that you negotiated), a workshift is:
Work Shift: The Pilot’s salary is based upon 182 ½ work shifts per year. A “work shift” is defined as a minimum of twelve (12) and up to a fourteen (14) hours of duration. A “work shift” does not include training, meetings and travel to or from training or meetings on an off work day.
So, you, by trying to schedule your training on a normal workshift period is using pay earmarked for your workshift to pay for training. So, you are substituting a promised (by contract) shift coverage for something the pay wasn't designed to pay for. Therefore, its like you being sick or on vacation getting paid to go to training.
When you are sick or on vacation, you aren't working at your base on a workshift, they take money from your vacation or sick time accounts to pay you for not being there. Here, you are trying to go to training and have them pay you for not being at your shift too. So, would you rather they pull from your sick or vacation balance to pay you for going to training? You owe them 182.5 work shifts (revenue generating ours) per year, and you aren't giving them that by trying to schedule your training during a normal work shift.
You are forcing the company to use additional resources to cover the hole you've created! That's why it needs the RAD's approval to attend training on your normal work shift, regardless of when it's scheduled! |
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Msg ID:
2805623 |
Fact check summary:pilots don’t need prior approval to schedule, NOT (NT) +0/-0
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Author:required to attend on off time.
2/18/2024 11:57:35 AM
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Msg ID:
2805629 |
You need approval to attend training on a normal shift period (NT) +0/-1
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Author:approval implies it be got beforehand!
2/18/2024 12:28:57 PM
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Msg ID:
2805634 |
You need approval to attend training on a normal shift period +0/-0
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Author:like a lot of things at AMC
2/18/2024 1:11:19 PM
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it will vary depending on your RAD and other things. don't bother getting would up about nothing |
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2805673 |
Wrong again. Post that line where it says I need preapproval before I (NT) +0/-0
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Author:Schedule my training
2/18/2024 9:36:09 PM
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Msg ID:
2805675 |
If you are trying to schedule training on your normal work day +0/-0
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Author:it needs to be approved
2/18/2024 10:32:45 PM
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15.1 C Training scheduled during periods when a pilot is normally scheduled to work at a base require approval by the Regional Aviation Director. |
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Msg ID:
2805677 |
You keep leaving out the rest of the section intentionally (NT) +0/-0
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Author:No RAD needed
2/18/2024 11:47:52 PM
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Msg ID:
2805678 |
Summary. No RAD needed and NOT required to go on my off time (NT) +0/-0
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Author:Facts hurt feelings
2/18/2024 11:48:34 PM
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Msg ID:
2805682 |
Those aren't the truths! You cannot remove youself from your schedule (NT) +0/-0
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Author:without RAD permission!
2/19/2024 5:10:59 AM
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Msg ID:
2805681 |
The rest of the section does not remove the clear requirement that +0/-0
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Author:the RAD must approve it!
2/19/2024 5:09:44 AM
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You keep intentionally dropping that requirement. It doesn't go away! |
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Msg ID:
2805685 |
Summery. Not required to attend on time off and RAD approval not required. (NT) +0/-0
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Author:Eezy Peezy
2/19/2024 7:26:06 AM
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Msg ID:
2805689 |
Once again, you are required to have it approved per CBA. +0/-0
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Author:File a grievance if you think otherwise
2/19/2024 8:01:29 AM
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But, you will lose it in the arbitration since the CBA expressly requires it!
Your salary is based on 182.5 12-hour shifts that does not include training to/from. It is not up to you to approve training on a regular schedule shift yourself!
RAD approval required! |
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Msg ID:
2805730 |
Summary:Pilot self schedules on an on or off work day. No RAD required. (NT) +0/-0
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Author:Go on/off day is pilot choice
2/20/2024 12:07:46 AM
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Msg ID:
2805733 |
Correct, but RAD must approve scheduling it when you shoudl be working (NT) +0/-0
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Author:at your base normally!
2/20/2024 12:13:45 AM
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Msg ID:
2805754 |
Correct.No preapproval needed from RAD to train during on shift time (NT) +0/-0
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Author:CBA says so! Very clearly!
2/20/2024 2:20:19 PM
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Msg ID:
2805755 |
show it then! Show how it erases or eliminates the sentence +0/-0
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Author:the the RAD shall approve it!
2/20/2024 2:28:32 PM
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If it is "clearly" there, there should be a direct and clear exception to that in 15.1C It isn't there. You are making stuff up. The RAD's approval is required for scheduling training on what was a normally scheduled work period. No excepts to that in the CBA.
Cry at your grievance. |
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Msg ID:
2805763 |
You are the one cherry picking one sentence to support a lie (NT) +1/-0
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Author:Self schedule when I want, period!
2/20/2024 4:21:16 PM
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Msg ID:
2805767 |
You're not that experienced in contract arbitrations and the meaning of +0/-0
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Author:"explicitly stipulated" it seems.
2/20/2024 6:39:56 PM
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You are not going to win at your grievance system board arbitration hearing! |
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Msg ID:
2805771 |
You're not that experienced in contract arbitrations and the meaning of +0/-0
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Author:Ok
2/20/2024 8:25:06 PM
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I hav a lot of sick days to use. Not a problem. |
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Msg ID:
2805806 |
Why would you use a sick day on a normal day off? (NT) +0/-0
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Author:Anonymous
2/21/2024 12:24:54 PM
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Msg ID:
2805792 |
Big words make you look dumber than your wrong post do. No prior approval (NT) +0/-0
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Author:Required. No RAD. When I want
2/21/2024 9:10:58 AM
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Msg ID:
2805807 |
Grieve it and weep! You won't win the SBA arbitration (NT) +0/-0
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Author:Anonymous
2/21/2024 12:26:06 PM
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Msg ID:
2805808 |
Grieve it and weep! You won't win the SBA arbitration +0/-0
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Author:what if
2/21/2024 12:31:02 PM
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Bear with me now.
God forbid the RAD loses his mind and APPROVES *gasp* the training during scheduled duty days? Is he now stealing from the company? |
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Msg ID:
2805809 |
Well, then he APPROVED it, which is required (NT) +0/-0
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Author:before you can schedule it!
2/21/2024 12:37:15 PM
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Msg ID:
2805824 |
Well, then he APPROVED it, which is required +0/-0
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Author:BUT BUT BUT
2/21/2024 3:40:23 PM
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I'm stealing company time! |
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Msg ID:
2805826 |
Working at training is not stealing them, it’s hours worked. (NT) +0/-0
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Author:No RAD needed per CBA
2/21/2024 3:55:05 PM
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Msg ID:
2805827 |
Working at training is not stealing them, it’s hours worked. +0/-0
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Author:Wait
2/21/2024 4:16:59 PM
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My salary is 182.5 shifts not including training. If I'm training during those work days then I'm not on a work shift and therefore stealing money. If he approves me should I report my RAD for time theft? |
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Msg ID:
2805832 |
Yes, report it to your RAD! Afterall, he's the APPROVAL authority (NT) +0/-0
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Author:expressedly listed in the CBA!
2/21/2024 4:52:21 PM
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Msg ID:
2805831 |
Hour worked in TRAINING, but your CBA hours are owed for revenue flying, (NT) +0/-0
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Author:not training! RAD approval required
2/21/2024 4:51:07 PM
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Msg ID:
2805830 |
Not if he approved it! Just like yoiu are not stealing my car if I've +0/-0
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Author:LET you take it for a ride!
2/21/2024 4:49:44 PM
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You are trying to steal it by scheduling yourself without permission! |
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Msg ID:
2805853 |
Not if he approved it! Just like yoiu are not stealing my car if I've +0/-0
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Author:Ok
2/21/2024 11:49:22 PM
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I don't need RAD approval for sick days. |
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Msg ID:
2805888 |
Nope, nor can you conduct training either. And, you still need RAD approval (NT) +0/-0
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Author:to go to training on a regular work day
2/22/2024 1:50:35 PM
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