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2803809 |
How to avoid geese at night +0/-1
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Author:Altitude, searchlight, or both?
1/24/2024 12:48:45 PM
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What's the golden rule for night flight agl altitude? 1000? 1500? How many of you use a searchlight fixed forward or crosstube lights at night? |
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Msg ID:
2803810 |
Simple technique and tactic and it’s not lights or strobes etc (NT) +0/-2
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Author:Don’t hit them
1/24/2024 12:54:22 PM
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Msg ID:
2804028 |
Simple technique and tactic and it’s not lights or strobes etc +0/-0
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Author:Yup
1/26/2024 4:09:11 AM
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That's basically what our safety department just sent out to all of us. It's apparently in line with the latest safety research. Money well spent. Thanks, Captain Obvious.
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Msg ID:
2803813 |
Not convinced lights don't attract them, vs repel them (NT) +5/-2
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Author:Anonymous
1/24/2024 12:58:02 PM
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Msg ID:
2803824 |
Not convinced lights don't attract them, vs repel them +1/-1
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Author:Heli pilot
1/24/2024 1:29:08 PM
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There's no foolproof to avoid bird strikes, period. Day or night. Staying vigilant in the cockpit does! |
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Msg ID:
2803825 |
Not convinced lights don't attract them, vs repel them +0/-1
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Author:oldNtired
1/24/2024 1:30:32 PM
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Slow down . |
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Msg ID:
2803907 |
Not convinced lights don't attract them, vs repel them +0/-1
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Author:Airplane Andrew
1/24/2024 4:31:16 PM
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So you're going to fly everywhere at 60kt or less? Really???
As if 50-60mph is going to stop a goose from crashing through a 3-4mm thick plastic windshield?
And even under NVGs you think being "vigilant" you'll be able to see a goose in time to put an input in fast enough to dodge it?
All great ideas guys... |
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Msg ID:
2803826 |
Not convinced lights don't attract them, vs repel them +0/-1
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Author:staying vigilant
1/24/2024 1:30:37 PM
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does what? |
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2803829 |
Not convinced lights don't attract them, vs repel them +0/-1
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Author:Heli pilot
1/24/2024 1:32:36 PM
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Not worth a response |
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Msg ID:
2803861 |
Not convinced lights don't attract them, vs repel them +1/-1
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Author:Equip
1/24/2024 2:02:40 PM
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them all with ads-b transponders
so they pop up on Tcas |
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Msg ID:
2803902 |
surprised there isn't an onboard "radar/sonar" yet for birds (NT) +1/-0
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Author:seems technology is that advanced
1/24/2024 3:48:48 PM
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Msg ID:
2803916 |
How to avoid geese at night +1/-0
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Author:1500’
1/24/2024 5:23:58 PM
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plus all the time with lights on. Never hit one but a friend did - big deal too. |
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Msg ID:
2803919 |
How to avoid geese at night (NT) +1/-0
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Author:Get MC off FB and have them look
1/24/2024 5:34:35 PM
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Msg ID:
2803924 |
Don’t take that job in Arkansas (NT) +3/-0
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Author:Avoid the State, no Geese
1/24/2024 6:32:28 PM
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Msg ID:
2803925 |
Was 25 nm offshore once searching for a missing person, at 300ft 80kts +1/-0
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Author:all the lights on. Hit flock of mallards
1/24/2024 6:33:42 PM
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one came through the upper windscreen and grazed my helmet, the others came in the cabin thru the cargo door. Reall mess. Diverted to nearest land airport. Nobody hurt. Aircraft had broken upper windscreen, but nothing else. Marks on acft show a few other impacts. Had bird parts as souviniers.
All the lights were on, search light, flood lights, strobes, and anti-collison.....
On NVG's and saw nothing coming!
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Msg ID:
2803932 |
How to avoid geese at night +1/-0
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Author:Hoover
1/24/2024 7:49:31 PM
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I hit a goose once IFR in the clouds... IMC.... EC145. Knocked the chin bubble out. |
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Msg ID:
2803933 |
How to avoid geese at night +0/-2
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Author:5500/6500
1/24/2024 7:50:10 PM
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5500 and 6500 MSL. If the ceilings don't accommodate for you to fly at these altitudes and maintain your cloud clearances then decline the flight.
Safety first. |
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Msg ID:
2803935 |
How to avoid geese at night +4/-0
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Author:you need to ask
1/24/2024 8:21:45 PM
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your pilot to explain why that's not always possible. |
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Msg ID:
2803936 |
since youi're flying, maybe they just cancel anyways (NT) +0/-1
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Author:for safety reasons?
1/24/2024 8:34:45 PM
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Msg ID:
2804002 |
How to avoid geese at night +2/-0
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Author:But my base is at 9000 msl
1/25/2024 6:49:39 PM
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Am I ok then? |
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Msg ID:
2804343 |
How to avoid geese at night +0/-0
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Author:Craiggerr1
1/30/2024 10:13:26 AM
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I was IFR out in the GOM, 100'ish miles offshore at 6,000ft in a SK-92. Flew out of a cloud and right before we were back in the clouds, saw a flock of birds. Daytime, normal lights for offshore were on. Did a little quick manuevering to avoid them.
We're in their environment. Keep your scan going is all you can do. |
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Msg ID:
2803939 |
Tough to see, even with nvg’s +1/-0
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Author:Looked like a shadow
1/24/2024 9:55:05 PM
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Cruising along one night with goggles, minimal ground lighting, 1500' or so, and at first thought I was seeing a shadow or something, as time went on the shadow became a flock of geese or some big migratory bird. Passed off the left side. Even with goggles, those birds are hard to spot in time.
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Msg ID:
2803956 |
Tough to see, even with nvg’s +3/-1
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Author:Back in the day
1/25/2024 12:25:07 AM
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Pre NVG, you just didn't see the birds......got NVGs and suddenly, many birds! |
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Msg ID:
2803969 |
Tough to see, even with nvg’s +0/-0
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Author:Used
1/25/2024 9:44:47 AM
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to see the bats at night just before impact! |
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Msg ID:
2803980 |
How to avoid geese at night +2/-2
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Author:Safety First, Flight Second.
1/25/2024 2:27:44 PM
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1. Are Canadian or Snow Geese known to be migrating at your requisite altitude? Don't fly.
2. Read the DoT/FAA 1990-2022 Wildlife Strike report.
3. Fly between 2,500 & 3,500' OUTSIDE of known migratory bird pattern.
4. NVGs do not turn night into day. They're limited to 40° FOV and are dependent on operator knowledge, skill, technique & tenacit. They're not a replacement for daytime 20/20 vision. They are an aide. And we are not flying in combat.
5. Don't fly below geese. You'll be surprised in a bad way.
6. if you fly above geese, make sure you have basic cloud clearance above you and a SAFE clearance beteeen you and the geese BELOW you.
7. After you consider the above, and if you buy off on the logic, you'll probably determine that fewer night flights are safely possible when you have ceilings below 3500', or you will press on and depend on luck or God's grace to separate you from geese.
The choice is yours. |
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Msg ID:
2803981 |
They are not "Canadian" geese. (NT) +0/-0
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Author:Anonymous
1/25/2024 2:37:42 PM
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Msg ID:
2804001 |
How to avoid geese at night +0/-0
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Author:I flew into a flock
1/25/2024 6:45:26 PM
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I flew into a flock of snowgeese in the middle of the night a 2500 feet AGL. Two entered the cockpit. |
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Msg ID:
2804020 |
How to avoid geese at night +0/-1
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Author:Or don't fly tinkertoys
1/26/2024 1:17:32 AM
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That get obliterated by 1 or 2 birds. |
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Msg ID:
2804026 |
How to avoid geese at night +1/-1
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Author:Norcal
1/26/2024 3:05:25 AM
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Use only you position and loading lights, no landing or search light. If the birds can't see you because they are blinded by your headlight then they won't try and get out of the way. Same with deer |
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Msg ID:
2804036 |
How to avoid geese at night +1/-0
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Author:Oh the stupidity
1/26/2024 9:00:19 AM
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Msg ID:
2804373 |
How to avoid geese at night +0/-0
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Author:olderendirt
1/30/2024 1:35:12 PM
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Nothing mentioned in this thread so far has any effect in avoiding bird strikes, other than avoiding known areas where the birds congregate, for instance open landfills. Or, if you're offshore shrimp boats and others harvesting sea food.
However, this video mentions one technique that at least doesn't seem to attract birds- your landing lights attract them. |
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Msg ID:
2804900 |
How to avoid geese at night +0/-0
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Author:Yeah
2/7/2024 9:38:39 AM
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Absolutely positive that guy is the carb heat-ON in a turbine moron. |
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Msg ID:
2804894 |
How to avoid geese at night +0/-0
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Author:Use
2/6/2024 11:50:53 PM
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''Em all and fly high. A goose impact at 165mph is not a joke. |
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