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Msg ID: 2803424 OPCON resides with the certificate holder, not the "customer!" +1/-3     
Author:They aren't really customers anyway
1/20/2024 8:34:49 AM

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they are acting and holding out as if they are the certificate holder themselves, typically in their own name (DBA), making contracts and promises to the public for air commerce that they have no right making, then leaning on (coercing) the actual certificate holder to abide by their demands "or else".

When a certificate holder kowtows to a "customer", where it is operating in such a manner as to make the public think that "customer" is actually the air carrier, then there is a problem!

If you fly into a ER helipad, or to a fire station LZ, or a PR event, or anywhere for that matter, and nobody know your name other than the "customer", then that is a sign that there is big a problem!



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Msg ID: 2803452 OPCON resides with the certificate holder, not the "customer!" +1/-2     
Author:it's paint
1/20/2024 11:08:49 AM

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and who cares if the podunk volunteer FD or the podunk 10th graders know who has the 135 certificate



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Msg ID: 2803457 Imagine the fireman who contracts with the nurse to provide +0/-0     
Author:exclusive air ambulance service...
1/20/2024 12:53:42 PM

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... and makes contractual promises to respond in 5 minutes, and only take 3rd party patients to a particular hospital!

 

That is OPCON!



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Msg ID: 2803522 Imagine the fireman who contracts with the nurse to provide +0/-0     
Author:that’s not operational control
1/21/2024 9:11:40 AM

Reply to: 2803457

those are flight requests are you nuts bro. since when do we decide who goes where and why. since never. there are no response times in any contract 



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Msg ID: 2803535 Imagine the fireman who contracts with the nurse to provide +0/-0     
Author:wut the hell is
1/21/2024 9:45:11 AM

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a third party patient lol


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Msg ID: 2803576 a paitien who pays the bills directly or by his insurance (NT) +0/-0     
Author:i.e., the real customer here!
1/21/2024 12:30:30 PM

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Msg ID: 2803497 Metro NEEDS A UNION (NT) +5/-0     
Author:Problem solved
1/20/2024 9:30:59 PM

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Msg ID: 2803520 Metro NEEDS A UNION +0/-0     
Author:Anonymous
1/21/2024 8:47:51 AM

Reply to: 2803497

Exactly!!!



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Msg ID: 2803602 Metro NEEDS A UNION +0/-0     
Author:Green Machine
1/21/2024 4:59:18 PM

Reply to: 2803497

I've been saying this for years, no one seems to think it's a good idea here in ohio.



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