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Msg ID: 2803379 AMC Check Airmen want to be in 109, NOT 108!!! Stop holding us hostage (NT) +0/-0     
Author:OPEIU do the right thing!!
1/19/2024 2:03:12 PM


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Msg ID: 2803383 The "right thing" would be to assign you to your very own local +0/-1     
Author:No sharing identies! Sovereignty!
1/19/2024 2:56:17 PM

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Elect your own officers.

Vote in your own elections.

No cross-breeding, mixing of funds

Set your own destiny.

Be equals with other class and crafts (not subordinates and subservents)

 



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Msg ID: 2803389 re: "stop holding us hostage" All it takes is 50% +1 of you to decertify! +0/-0     
Author:That can't be hard to accomplish!
1/19/2024 5:30:37 PM

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Simply decertify them!

 

BTW, Where did they shove North Memorial Health Care d/b/a Air Care pilots to?  Local 108 also?



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Msg ID: 2803412 OPEIU stripped 109 and forced them into 108 AGAINST the MAJORITY!! (NT) +0/-0     
Author:Our goal is to DECERTIFY if NOT in 109
1/19/2024 11:27:48 PM

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Msg ID: 2803417 OPEIU stripped 109 and forced them into 108 AGAINST the MAJORITY!! +0/-0     
Author:why you crying about it
1/20/2024 4:00:56 AM

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on here bro. lol



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Msg ID: 2803420 Because you’ll listen and care enough to reply (NT) +0/-0     
Author:Your attention helps
1/20/2024 7:23:30 AM

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Msg ID: 2803432 Because you’ll listen and care enough to reply +0/-0     
Author:that’s why?
1/20/2024 9:31:27 AM

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well then thats a really great reason lol



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Msg ID: 2803427 Your goal should be for your own independance (NT) +0/-0     
Author:(i.e., your own Local designation!)
1/20/2024 8:47:34 AM

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Msg ID: 2803443 Your goal should be for your own independance +0/-0     
Author:say wut
1/20/2024 10:29:40 AM

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the goal is strength in numbers. that's why is called a "union" and the contract negotiating is called "collective" bargaining. why do I have this funny feeling you may not have the check airman's best interests in mind.



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Msg ID: 2803445 Strength in number's of your own class and craft, not pooling up with those +0/-0     
Author:of your compentiton!
1/20/2024 10:35:22 AM

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Man, you guys are idiots!    Local 108 is a LOCAL.  Under OPEIU International.   The "pooling" is at the International level, not the LOCAL level!

Why would I want someone from my competiton directing my negotiations and grievances?



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Msg ID: 2803447 Strength in number's of your own class and craft, not pooling up with those +0/-0     
Author:your competition
1/20/2024 10:38:47 AM

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lol retard 



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Msg ID: 2803463 So, being forced into a local ran by a different company's pilots is ok? +0/-0     
Author:You're forced to pay, & they aren't?
1/20/2024 1:34:24 PM

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108 is a failed (and still insignifiant) local.   Why are you good with putting a new class and craft of folks, from the other side of the country, into that local?  

They deserve self-identity with their own elected leaders!  Not amendement under someone else's subordinate to leaders who can't rally any support from their own class and craft!! 



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Msg ID: 2803685 OPEIU stripped 109 and forced them into 108 AGAINST the MAJORITY!! +1/-0     
Author:ebhbk
1/22/2024 5:33:06 PM

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Incorrect...CA"s voted between 108 or being on their own, as "B"-urger "K"-ing withdrew 109 from the ballot because "BK" was upset the CA's did not want "BK" to negotiate for them. This was one of the demands by "BK" to join 109. Vote total for 108 was 33 yes, 1 no, and 1 abstained out of 40 CA's. End of story on that one.

108 is everyone else other than 109 in the heli industry that has Unionized. They are well funded and give everyone the autonomy for ther contract, with full finacial support. 109(BK) refused finnacial support during the CA's negotations demanding OPEIU pay the way. Which is not normal protcol for a joining group.

As far as decertifing, the CA's won the vote by 74% out of 41 CA's at the time. AMC has hired since hired local Denver CA's all of which support the Union efforts due mainly to cost of living, so this number has increased. Others that may talk decertification are identified as traveling CA's that are either anti-Union or friends with AMC managment. 

At the end of the day 108 giving the CA's the ability to negotatie on their own contract without interference, legal support when needed, and a Board that will not try to mandate or influence the elected CA holding the chair seat.

As for "BK"..well thats what Kings do sit around and promote lies and deception to try and control the naraitive and of course they have nothing better to do. I think we all have had enough of this topic and its time to move on. Good luck to the CA's!



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Msg ID: 2803444 AMC Check Airmen want to be in 109, NOT 108!!! Stop holding us hostage  +0/-0     
Author:Exactly
1/20/2024 10:32:31 AM

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why unions suck...nothing but whining, butt hurt and backstabbing. It's not like you've got jobs to do, or lives outside of work to concentrate on.



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Msg ID: 2803448 AMC Check Airmen want to be in 109, NOT 108!!! Stop holding us hostage  +0/-0     
Author:yes good point
1/20/2024 10:44:40 AM

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we should scrap out our union with our guaranteed  good pay and benefits because some people don't like it and it ruins our concentration too lol



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Msg ID: 2803458 "good" is a very subjective term! (NT) +0/-0     
Author:Particlularly here!
1/20/2024 12:55:38 PM

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Msg ID: 2803449 AMC Check Airmen want to be in 109, NOT 108!!! Stop holding us hostage  +0/-0     
Author:Not a pawn.
1/20/2024 10:56:28 AM

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20$ says this "B"urger "K"ing posting. Get over it, get a life, we broke up with you. No one likes you or your constant airing of our business here.



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Msg ID: 2803450 AMC Check Airmen want to be in 109, NOT 108!!! Stop holding us hostage  +0/-0     
Author:Not a pawn.
1/20/2024 10:59:05 AM

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And to clarify that's to the individual not the 109.



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Msg ID: 2803453 AMC Check Airmen want to be in 109, NOT 108!!! Stop holding us hostage  +0/-0     
Author:my six year old daughter asked
1/20/2024 11:26:49 AM

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me how much my raise was this year. When I told her the new contract could bring in new hires at the same rate so I didn't really get a raise, she started crying.



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Msg ID: 2803460 Once upon a time, we had a payscale that gave both annual movement, and  +0/-0     
Author:longevity movement. But, alas,
1/20/2024 1:01:06 PM

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the union know-it-all didn't really know much past the tip of his nose!   Now, you don't get longevity raises.  Your paysimply moves up to keep up with a new-hire's wages.

A pilot who just hired on today, can quit tomorrow and come back 5 years from now and still be at a pay salary as those he abandoned for 5 years.   Whooohooo!   Union bargaining more for people who aren't even paying members, got to love it!



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Msg ID: 2803467 Once upon a time, we had a payscale that gave both annual movement, and  +0/-0     
Author:say wut
1/20/2024 1:56:19 PM

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wages go up. that's how it works. even if you "abandon" the company. never heard of somebody complain about higher wages. lol



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Msg ID: 2803472 So, a current pilot is simply keeping with with new-hire starting pay! (NT) +0/-0     
Author:That not benefit of longevity!
1/20/2024 2:16:18 PM

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Msg ID: 2803474 So, a current pilot is simply keeping with with new-hire starting pay! +0/-0     
Author:FAA, here to help
1/20/2024 2:21:48 PM

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You people need to get a life !!



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Msg ID: 2803477 So, a current pilot is simply keeping with with new-hire starting pay! +0/-0     
Author:what makes me super angry is
1/20/2024 2:27:39 PM

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I keep getting useless emails from linkedin when I've unsubscribed numerous times. oh and I only care about my own pay. 



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Msg ID: 2803498 AMC Check Airmen are planning to vote to DECERTIFY with almost NO SUPPORT (NT) +0/-0     
Author:after being forced into 108
1/20/2024 9:31:59 PM

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Msg ID: 2803500 What does that even mean?  +0/-0     
Author:Anonymous
1/20/2024 10:05:01 PM

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Call the NMB and file a dispute already!



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Msg ID: 2803519 Check Airmen will not be union because OPEIU did us dirty (NT) +0/-0     
Author:Voting them OUT!!
1/21/2024 8:10:59 AM

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Msg ID: 2803542 Check Airmen will not be union because OPEIU did us dirty +0/-0     
Author:once again
1/21/2024 10:24:35 AM

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ALPA check airman aren't seperate. I guess that don't lie down on the fainting couch when they hear CATAGORY AND CRAFT!™. if it works for them, it sure as hell can work at AMC. 



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Msg ID: 2803562 Once again, again. ALPA check airman fly the line! +0/-0     
Author:And are the SAME Class & Craft!
1/21/2024 11:38:52 AM

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They are not the same beast!   Totally different schedules.   Totally different pay scales.  Totally different job descriptions.   Totally different work environment.  Totally different Class and Craft!

 

And, even the NMB thought so!



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Msg ID: 2803579 Local 108 are not check airmen, so why force us there?!?! (NT) +0/-0     
Author:109 or OPEIU is OUT!!!
1/21/2024 12:36:04 PM

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Msg ID: 2803584 How about your own Local!! Be independant! Vote in your own leaders (NT) +0/-0     
Author:Don't be controlled by non-instructors
1/21/2024 2:31:20 PM

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Msg ID: 2803628 AMC check airmen and line pilots are brothers and sisters for same company (NT) +0/-0     
Author:and should be same local together
1/21/2024 11:35:13 PM

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Msg ID: 2803640 no they shouldn't; they are a different Class and Craft (NT) +0/-0     
Author:of workers, each it's own! cousins
1/22/2024 7:03:10 AM

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Msg ID: 2803949 Here in KY and WV it’s cool to be inside your cousin (NT) +0/-0     
Author:I mean in them. In with them…
1/24/2024 11:23:56 PM

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Msg ID: 2803558 Check airmen hiding from the line (NT) +1/-0     
Author:Line Pilot
1/21/2024 11:26:50 AM

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Msg ID: 2803734 Actually, it’s only 1 check airmen and OPEIU who forced us into 108 (NT) +0/-0     
Author:Against our vote to go 109!!!
1/23/2024 12:08:32 PM

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Msg ID: 2803761 See, you certified OPEIU (not 109/108/107...) and see +0/-0     
Author:how much the really care about you
1/23/2024 3:48:40 PM

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Once you locked them in with a NMB certification, they don't care about you whatsoever!



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Msg ID: 2803778 Fact! We only went along with this to be with local 109 and railroaded by (NT) +0/-0     
Author:One of our own and opeiu
1/23/2024 7:35:22 PM

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Msg ID: 2803817 So, some idiot promised you something they didn't deliver +1/-0     
Author:Typcial unionism!
1/24/2024 1:03:50 PM

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But, it was a deal with the devil, now your stuck unless you conduct an exorcism!   50% + 1.   Should be real easy being centarally located and small!



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Msg ID: 2803948 It was one of our own check airmen who was the designee and the OPEIU (NT) +0/-0     
Author:Organizer who conspired together
1/24/2024 11:23:02 PM

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Msg ID: 2804060 who "designated" him/her/it? (NT) +0/-0     
Author:Union Democracy
1/26/2024 1:02:51 PM

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