away bro

so don't worry about it

in two years when I apply lol

you're a troll, which I knew, which is why I played with you bro

The entire CBA is available on the Local 109 Home Page, scroll down and look in Appendix A, Section 2

Straight from the CBA:

"Any disputes relative to starting Base Pay shall not be subject to the grievance and/or System Board of Adjustment provision located elsewhere in this Agreement."

If AMC is desperate to fill a base, they can offer any step, with no recourse from the union. So negotiate whatever you want.

there are actually still people out there that think the union would object to someone getting higher pay

Paid better elsewhere dumfak. Union and mgmt endorses this. 

is a great thing and the only way to go. always will be

dont like it, leave. Oh wait. You won't because AMC is sthe highest paid, has best benefits, best 401k, and didn't screw everyone on the retention bonuses by making "banking" that money until you've been with company for 4 years!!!! AMC is on top by far and the "Union" played a huge role in that. Thanks AMC. And HUGE THANKS to the Union.

pilots that didn't vote would have voted. and if you didn't vote, you have no right to bitch about anything bro. what I'm trying to say is stfu

wouldn't 52% still be considered a majority? did I change the premise?! lol

And, now, our new hires will be making new-hire pay for the next 6 years!

A new hire today will be making $100,861 in 6 years, assuming they start at step A. If they negotiate step D then they'd be at $117,993. Straight from the CBA that is publically available.

Unless you have some crazy knowledge I'm not privy to that completely ignores the CBA.

The new hire pay scale increases at the same rate as the annual step.   So, essentially, someone hiring on today will still be making new hire pay 6 years from now.

Brilliant negotiations skills and working for the union member there!  (because you seem to need help, that was me being cynical)

people complain about pay being too high and then blame the union lol

a seniority list bro. and bless your heart for "the union should have negotiated lower pay for new hires!" lol you stupid idiot

Matter of fact, someone here 5 years from now might be making LESS then someone hiring on that very day!

So much for "pay raises"

do pilots not get 4% raises per year? you don't even know what AMC is bringing in news hires at. cry harder bitch. 

you want new hires to come in at a lower pay rate and blame the union for not making that happen. sure wish you were the one doing the negotiating for us! lol

... is so that it keeps up with demand.   Basically, your pay scheme doesn't reward pilots for being here, but simply increases their pay based on the bottom of the pay scale!

because a new hire came in at a higher rate than you did, this is bad, it's the unions fault and you didn't really get a 4% raise. lol

if you don't work here. lol

New hire starting pay today grows 4% annually.   Same as a pilot's yearly pay raise.  

The pilot working here for 5 years doesn't get any credit for working here, other than to keep up with new-hire salary increases!

ok yeah you get a pay raise every year you don't work there. haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!

great news honey I got another raise! my pay went up!

but you don't work there

don't be so negative!

ok lets buy a new car

Go with your amazing five years of EMS flying experience and go to a company that'll pay you for all of that valuable time barely staying current. I'm sure Air Evac will start you at $150k with that time!

The new hire will come in at step A. Straight from the CBA.

someone hiring on today will be making starting pay for the next 5 years!

what they bring in new hires in the slightest. you should give it a try bro

New hires have to work for poverty wages and I need a 20% pay raise each year. They need to pay their dues.

You want to know if the union is still wanted??   Have a recertification vote!   Then, you will find out for sure.

But, of those on the pilot seniority list currently, <15% were here when there was a vote to unionize.   The rest didn't ever vote to have a union!

Paint it what you want, but those are simple facts!

Why does the union think they have claim on all my labor?

I took the job with AIR METHODS, not the union!

there will be 0% that voted in the union but so what you dumb f**k

Aren't the check airmen joining  their own union?

Gasp!

The hammer and the wrath will fall very soon. The WHOLE thing is going to explode and the NEW 109 will take over all of the helicopter unions for pilots, medical, and maintenance. Theres always an end game.....

Ur welcome.

Ur welcome

out the door when ya give up.  Ur welcome.