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Msg ID: 2801636 Do no military U.S. operators have blade de-ice? +1/-1     
Author:Eau Sale
12/24/2023 7:52:54 AM

Wondering if any U.S. EMS helicopters have any de-icing or anti-ice installed on their aircraft? We're a northern climate EMS operator who would benefit from it, but don't have it. 

 

Asking for a friend...



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Msg ID: 2801637 Do no military U.S. operators have blade de-ice? +0/-1     
Author:Planters
12/24/2023 8:30:05 AM

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Several that have the Sikorsky S76D model. 



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Msg ID: 2801641 Do no military U.S. operators have blade de-ice? +1/-1     
Author:76’er
12/24/2023 10:10:23 AM

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RIPS system was initially proposed but due to the amount it would decrease an already lower useful load than its C+ and ++ predecessors it was never offered on the D.

For helo known ice cert in the US I'd venture it'd have to be a 139 or larger. The only 139's that come to mind flying HAA in the US are in southern / warmer climates. Anyone know of 139's flying HAA in cold climates in the US? 



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Msg ID: 2801642 Do no military U.S. operators have blade de-ice? +2/-1     
Author:Yes
12/24/2023 10:37:15 AM

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NJSP & the De-Ice on the AW139 was a total bust!!! ERA had one in Alaska,never used it & sold the A/C. GE Corp flt dept. had one & de-energized it because it was a bust. Turn that A/C into a nightmare for Mx. AW products suck as does their support too!!😎🚁✈ Yeah more from emoji boy, suck it too the @$$ 🤡 who can't take them too 😁🥳



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Msg ID: 2801640 Do no military U.S. operators have blade de-ice? +1/-1     
Author:Anonymous
12/24/2023 9:44:25 AM

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I smell a troll



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Msg ID: 2801645 Do no military U.S. operators have blade de-ice? +0/-3     
Author:Retired
12/24/2023 11:44:08 AM

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I smell a medic.

nomenclature is different anti ice, de ice. Two different animals

 

The UH-60 had problems with anti ice the military gave up on it by disabling it years after it flew with the system. 



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Msg ID: 2801652 Do no military U.S. operators have blade de-ice? +1/-0     
Author:Yep
12/24/2023 12:55:28 PM

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De-Ice is heated Type I

Anti Ice  Type IV is a mixture depending on temp ratio & has to put on W/ Rotary pump. If a Centrifical or High Shearl pump , it'll decrease the Shearing effect of the non-newtonian fluid.



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Msg ID: 2801654 Do no military U.S. operators have blade de-ice? +1/-0     
Author:I detect the same smell..
12/24/2023 2:11:54 PM

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The -64A had blade de-ice that worked really well when the blades were new.  They didn't stay that way for very long.



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Msg ID: 2801659 Do no military U.S. operators have blade de-ice? +4/-3     
Author:Mayo?
12/24/2023 2:49:55 PM

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You must be a Mayo person... All the money in the world and still can't actually do any flying with it since your management is so screwed up. Anyway...

Most De-ice, Anti-ice systems for helicopters are way more Mx heavy then they are worth, not to mention all the extra Regs that need to be implemented. Every helicopter I've flown with Anti-ice has had the system deactivated or removed because it never worked in the first place.



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Msg ID: 2801690 12 month base protection reduced to 6 months (NT) +0/-0     
Author:with new & improved industry leading cba
12/25/2023 11:49:17 AM

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Msg ID: 2801691 post meant for thread above. (NT) +0/-1     
Author:back button got me on wrong thread
12/25/2023 11:51:43 AM

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Msg ID: 2801800 Yes, we have no ice (NT) +0/-0     
Author:Anti & De-ice
12/28/2023 1:28:46 PM

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Msg ID: 2802286 Do no military U.S. operators have blade de-ice? +0/-0     
Author:The
1/4/2024 9:03:52 PM

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only good ice is found in a skating rink.  Blade device is a problem looking for opportunity.  What about airframe ice?  Horizontal stab ice?  Not a simple subject, don't recommend messing with it.



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