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Msg ID: 2799422 Flying a twin with one engine at idle +3/-16     
Author:Ferry flight
11/21/2023 7:26:36 PM

Hey guys. I'm in another country. FAA rules do not apply here. Lots of freedom here unlike in the USA. I have a ferry flight coming up in a Bell Medium and am having some fuel issues. I fuel out of barrels and I have a 320 nm leg tomorrow. Have any of you found if you go to idle with one engine and 100% (or so maybe a touch less) on the other, it saves you some quantifiable fuel? Looking for experienced pilots to help me out. 

 



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Msg ID: 2799424 Flying a twin with one engine at idle +4/-2     
Author:Anonymous
11/21/2023 7:42:09 PM

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Forget the FAA, what does the rfm and manufacturer say? That would be your first line of defense if something goes wrong. 



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Msg ID: 2799426 Flying a twin with one engine at idle +1/-2     
Author:OP
11/21/2023 7:44:08 PM

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Good call. Permissions for Single Engine Flight aren't really discussed in there. Some of those limits are suggestions and others are pretty hardline. 



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Msg ID: 2799433 Flying a twin with one engine at idle +2/-2     
Author:Thenswerisno
11/21/2023 8:29:58 PM

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turbine engines are most efficient at max power.  If you could shut one down and maintain normal cruise speed you would gain distance. The more you go below normal cruise the less you will gain. Putting one at idle will hurt you. The engine will be burning fuel and doing nothing. 



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Msg ID: 2799434 Flying a twin with one engine at idle +0/-2     
Author:OP
11/21/2023 8:34:45 PM

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So are you saying that the idling engine should be shut down to provide maximum distance?



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Msg ID: 2799441 Flying a twin with one engine at idle +1/-1     
Author:Reply
11/21/2023 8:59:17 PM

Reply to: 2799434

Yes. An engine at idle is just wasting fuel. You need to shut one down to gain anything worthwhile.  
do the guy who said fly high you are correct if the aircraft can do it efficiently. I flew the dauphin. It did very well above 9000.  The agusta 109 would actually do worse above around 7000 due to loss of efficiency of the rotor system.  Fuel burn went down but speed dropped way down. 



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Msg ID: 2799460 Flying a twin with one engine at idle +2/-2     
Author:Anonymous
11/22/2023 9:17:18 AM

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Just wondering here, those of you that shut one engine down on long flights, are you logging different times between engines in your logbook? 



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Msg ID: 2799438 Flying a twin with one engine at idle +0/-2     
Author:cheap
11/21/2023 8:51:35 PM

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Winds permitting, fly high.



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Msg ID: 2799442 Flying a twin with one engine at idle +1/-2     
Author:try putting feathers
11/21/2023 9:11:19 PM

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on the pedals bro



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Msg ID: 2799443 Flying a twin with one engine at idle +1/-1     
Author:possible?
11/21/2023 9:42:23 PM

Reply to: 2799422

Hi, Not a pilot but I probably could be if I wanted too; it looks easy enough.....

Anyhow - would it help to fly really high up gradually let off the gas to where it keeps flying, then maybe do one of those extended autorotations, add throttle to climb and repeat? Seems like there's enough sky out there to be feasible..



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Msg ID: 2799444 Flying a twin with one engine at idle +2/-3     
Author:The G Mail Guy
11/21/2023 9:48:44 PM

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Didn't the early 206 A or B's have a M/R range 95 to 100%. so you could beep the rotor down to save fuel?



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Msg ID: 2799447 Flying a twin with one engine at idle +3/-1     
Author:olderendirt
11/21/2023 10:23:20 PM

Reply to: 2799422

Performance  I have a ferry flight coming up in a Bell Medium and am having some fuel issues. I fuel out of barrels and I have a 320 nm leg tomorrow. Have any of you found if you go to idle with one engine and 100% (or so maybe a touch less) on the other, it saves you some quantifiable fuel? Looking for experienced pilots to help me out. 

"Bell medium" as in 212/412 or a 222/230? Those old engines ain't economical in idle. The RFM is your friend in this case- performance charts especially. Been decades since I had to calculate this, but here goes:

I'd copy and magnify the chart to do this (on paper in them old days)

RFM power chart, big bulge.

From the lower left, a line on a tangent to the power curve is your best shot, should give you a ground speed or power setting.

And you have to factor in the atmospherics, winds especially.

I'm a nervous sort but I'm also an old fart. I would go a long way around to have a comfortable fuel stop(s) on any leg...



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Msg ID: 2799449 You could fly on one donk +0/-0     
Author:In this one..
11/22/2023 2:30:52 AM

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https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all-news/1994/july/pilot/gemini-st



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Msg ID: 2799454 Either stop the rotor or feather it to reduce the drag (NT) +1/-2     
Author:[for best results]
11/22/2023 7:55:59 AM

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Msg ID: 2799463 Flying a twin with one engine at idle +1/-1     
Author:Pumper
11/22/2023 9:49:51 AM

Reply to: 2799422

Just throw a couple of drums of fuel in the back seat.  Then half way through the flight take a pee break and tranfer the fuel.



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Msg ID: 2799471 Flying a twin with one engine at idle +2/-2     
Author:Or do everyone a favor
11/22/2023 11:48:00 AM

Reply to: 2799463

Just turn them both off and pull the left handle all the way up.



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Msg ID: 2799472 Flying a twin with one engine at idle +2/-1     
Author:both amazing and depressing
11/22/2023 12:30:12 PM

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people on here can't see this is a troll from a thousand miles out 



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Msg ID: 2799477 Flying a twin with one engine at idle +1/-2     
Author:Anonymous
11/22/2023 1:29:02 PM

Reply to: 2799472

maybe, maybe not. it has been done before and I won't say who or where, but if that crusty old aviator is reading this, I know he is laughing as he takes another sip of beer. 



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Msg ID: 2799480 Flying a twin with one engine at idle +3/-1     
Author:good god
11/22/2023 1:32:24 PM

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I guess the old retards are just as dumb as the new retards



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Msg ID: 2799484 Flying a twin with one engine at idle +2/-2     
Author:BK
11/22/2023 1:36:07 PM

Reply to: 2799480

Are you one of the old farts or young retards?



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Msg ID: 2799479 Flying a twin with one engine at idle +1/-1     
Author:It happened
11/22/2023 1:32:17 PM

Reply to: 2799472

Years ago a Navy SH3 crew tried this stunt during a cross country flight to skip a fuel stop. They were doing ok until the remaining engine quit. Restarted while in an auto. Recovered. One of the crew turned the pilots in. Idiots. 



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Msg ID: 2799481 Flying a twin with one engine at idle +0/-2     
Author:lol
11/22/2023 1:33:19 PM

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Msg ID: 2799482 Flying a twin with one engine at idle +0/-1     
Author:restarted while in auto
11/22/2023 1:34:25 PM

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lol



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Msg ID: 2799496 Flying a twin with one engine at idle +4/-4     
Author:so there I was
11/22/2023 4:30:01 PM

Reply to: 2799482

flying along in a sea king on one engine to save fuel when the engine quit! we entered an auto and got the other engine started and flew away! of all the things that never happened, this never happened the most. lol  I'm sure the crusty old aviator smiles and sips his beer while sitting in his own excrement. 



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Msg ID: 2799613 Flying a twin with one engine at idle +0/-0     
Author:DUh 2
11/23/2023 6:17:27 PM

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OK Mr. Junior Navy wannabeeee.......Captain........



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Msg ID: 2799511 Flying a twin with one engine at idle +1/-0     
Author:Interesting
11/22/2023 6:49:54 PM

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discussion.  Some types have max se speeds.  Depending on winds use LRC TE at the altitude that fits best TAS and play the ground speed.  Choose a conservative PNR.  If in a head wind use as much TE power as possible at favorable altitude.  Not a fan of SE ferry flying.



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Msg ID: 2799514 Flying a twin with one engine at idle +0/-2     
Author:it’s only interesting to retards
11/22/2023 7:23:17 PM

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that think this is something that actually happens


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Msg ID: 2799515 Flying a twin with one engine at idle +2/-0     
Author:Why do you care?
11/22/2023 7:33:08 PM

Reply to: 2799514

This really winds you up doesn't it? I guess when you haven't done anything except fly Robbie's the jelousy consumes you. 



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Msg ID: 2799594 Flying a twin with one engine at idle +1/-0     
Author:Such
11/23/2023 4:44:40 PM

Reply to: 2799514

a response.  Flex ur own imagination for a change, u might gain something. 



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Msg ID: 2799596 Flying a twin with one engine at idle +0/-0     
Author:I'm trying to imagine
11/23/2023 4:50:44 PM

Reply to: 2799594

a situation where you would be dumb enough to fly a twin with two good engines just on one and not coming up with anything. you got any brilliant ideas, I'm listening. 



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Msg ID: 2799612 Flying a twin with one engine at idle +2/-0     
Author:Anonymous
11/23/2023 6:15:19 PM

Reply to: 2799514

are possibly little experienced and narrow minded - have a look over the next hill.  Might see something.



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Msg ID: 2799616 Flying a twin with one engine at idle +0/-0     
Author:okay, so I'm both
11/23/2023 7:14:59 PM

Reply to: 2799612

why don't you enlighten me. pretty simple question.



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Msg ID: 2799701 Flying a twin with one engine at idle +0/-0     
Author:Nah
11/24/2023 10:36:18 PM

Reply to: 2799616

Do ur own homework!



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Msg ID: 2799716 Flying a twin with one engine at idle +0/-1     
Author:just as I thought
11/25/2023 7:56:33 AM

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you got nothin



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Msg ID: 2799513 Flying a twin with one engine at idle +0/-0     
Author:Pilot
11/22/2023 7:13:08 PM

Reply to: 2799422
Dumb question. Just stop and get fuel.


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Msg ID: 2799535 Flying a twin with one engine at idle +0/-0     
Author:Sh 3 did it
11/23/2023 12:33:27 AM

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it was the first time a helicopter flew carrier to carrier non stop across the us.  The did shut down one engine as soon as they could.  There was some concern about full power on one input shaft. They did not run out of fuel.  Look it up, it is a true story.



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Msg ID: 2799544 Flying a twin with one engine at idle +0/-0     
Author:boy
11/23/2023 7:47:05 AM

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they sure flew that sea king around a lot on one engine lol



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Msg ID: 2799702 Flying a twin with one engine at idle +0/-0     
Author:Assume
11/24/2023 10:40:37 PM

Reply to: 2799535

full power means max continuous SE or did Sikorsky approve a one-off; not that they'd have to.  SH3 not a fun autorotation machine.



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