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Msg ID: 2797715 Astar very loud startup static noise +1/-0     
Author:ICS
11/2/2023 1:57:56 AM

Curious if anyone else here may have experienced this before.  When we hit the starter on a B3e, there is a very loud static noise...it lasts for about 5-10 seconds before going away.  To make things more interesting, the static noise does not occur if starting from a start stick or other external power source. 

The static can't be traced to a single audio source, as it occurs regardless of which audio source is selected.  The only way to silence the static is to unplug my helmet/headset. 

We are stumped...anyone else experience this before?  Thanks in advance. 



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Msg ID: 2797716 Astar very loud startup static noise +0/-0     
Author:Weird stuff
11/2/2023 5:33:55 AM

Reply to: 2797715
Saw that before on a B3. Went away when deselecting a patient audio on the rear audio control.


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Msg ID: 2797717 Astar very loud startup static noise +9/-0     
Author:Been there
11/2/2023 5:42:52 AM

Reply to: 2797715

Replace Starter / Generator as it will fail soon.



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Msg ID: 2797724 Astar very loud startup static noise +1/-0     
Author:Start/gen
11/2/2023 9:24:13 AM

Reply to: 2797717

Replacing the starter or generator will fix it. High load during initial start sequence really hits generator hard. Ba weak starter will increase generator load. Have seen this in many different aircraft. 



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Msg ID: 2797814 Astar very loud startup static noise +3/-0     
Author:Check
11/3/2023 10:03:51 AM

Reply to: 2797717

Starter-generator brushes and armature first, if possible.  Remember, generators can start fires inflight!!



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Msg ID: 2797720 Astar very loud startup static noise +0/-0     
Author:yep
11/2/2023 6:32:50 AM

Reply to: 2797715

Agree with Been There 100%...starter generator.



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Msg ID: 2797723 Someone must have stolen the catalytic converter (NT) +5/-0     
Author:in the middle of the night
11/2/2023 7:23:36 AM

Reply to: 2797715


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Msg ID: 2797732 Someone must have stolen the catalytic converter +2/-0     
Author:anony
11/2/2023 11:32:40 AM

Reply to: 2797723

Watch your voltage on the start, how low is it dropping during a battery starts vs a start stick vs a power cart.  If all 3 are appx same voltage drop then the starter is probably not the problem as it should make the same noise during the start.  When the static goes away note the NG speed and voltage, see which one is a constant for when the static goes away.  Check the main ground to airframe connection in the rear baggage, its behind the sheet metal but right where the EPU socket is, take grounds off, clean and retighten.  Be absolutely sure you know if the static is heard on all headset jack positions vs just the pilots.  Verify its on the ICS and not any radio circuits but having all sources selected off and rotary mic selector to a position that has no radio.  What model audio panel do you have, digital or analog? Are there 2 or 3 audio panel heads installed? Im guessing only 2 since its an AS350.



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Msg ID: 2797743 Someone must have stolen the catalytic converter +1/-4     
Author:Very nice advise from
11/2/2023 2:18:39 PM

Reply to: 2797732

the Jr avionics tech above.

 

 

Allow the Guru to speak.

 

W-T-F are you cranking up with Avionics powered on for?  Every helicopter I ever worked on had a Radio Master switch that should not be set on until you are stabilized on the start and the GENERATOR is TURNED ON.  You are asking to fry some radios.....

If you don't have a Radio Master switch.....I suggest you find a competent avionics shop and have them install one.  Don't go replace a perfectly operating Starter/Gen because some Retard did your avionics package and didn't install a Radio Master switch.....unless you enjoy spending lots of money for no reason at all.

 

 



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Msg ID: 2797744 Someone must have stolen the catalytic converter +3/-1     
Author:hey guru
11/2/2023 2:33:35 PM

Reply to: 2797743

many aircraft have power to the intercom when the battery is turned on but yeah you're the guru lol



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Msg ID: 2797746 Someone must have stolen the catalytic converter +1/-0     
Author:how about an avionics master
11/2/2023 2:58:18 PM

Reply to: 2797744
radio master? R-22 much? I can see why you’re such an important guy lol


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Msg ID: 2797754 Someone must have stolen the catalytic converter +1/-0     
Author:Geezer
11/2/2023 5:01:12 PM

Reply to: 2797743

Well the youngsters check in. Seems younger pilots aren't taught to turn off every electrical demand that's not part of the start procedures anymore.



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Msg ID: 2797759 Someone must have stolen the catalytic converter +1/-0     
Author:shut up dumbass
11/2/2023 5:26:59 PM

Reply to: 2797754
we’re taught to follow the checklist


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Msg ID: 2797790 Someone must have stolen the catalytic converter +0/-0     
Author:Geezer
11/3/2023 12:14:18 AM

Reply to: 2797759

 All my check list include all avionics off. 



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Msg ID: 2797828 Someone must have stolen the catalytic converter +0/-0     
Author:Anonymous
11/3/2023 11:56:04 AM

Reply to: 2797743

Bro, you are no helicopter guru.



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Msg ID: 2797813 Someone must have stolen the catalytic converter +0/-0     
Author:OP
11/3/2023 9:55:42 AM

Reply to: 2797732

Thanks for the suggestions...will give all this a shot with our Mx crew tomorrow. 

The static noise comes through the ICS regardless of which radio(s) are selected for Rx or Tx (Jupiter Avionics JA94 audio controller). 

And to answer the Guru...master avionics switch is off for start...however, the JA94 audio controller is powered when the master pwr button is turned on. 

Thanks for all other thoughts and suggestions.  We'll get to the bottom of it eventually.  I hope. 



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Msg ID: 2797853 Someone must have stolen the catalytic converter +0/-0     
Author:see
11/3/2023 3:19:48 PM

Reply to: 2797813

I told you but you're the guru! lol



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Msg ID: 2798018 Someone must have stolen the catalytic converter +0/-0     
Author:Guru
11/6/2023 1:52:37 PM

Reply to: 2797853

Why would you need to talk thru ICS before the engine is started?

 

Why would you need to listen to anything thru ICS before the engine is started?

 

Your installer screwed up.

 

Pull the C/B or install a switch on the ICS and then turn that on only after the engine is up and gen is on.

 

You people are daft.



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Msg ID: 2798347 Someone must have stolen the catalytic converter +0/-0     
Author:lol
11/9/2023 1:33:51 PM

Reply to: 2798018

when you fly something bigger than an r22, you may need to talk to the people in the back before start. that you are unaware many large AND small aircraft are set up this way tells the world you are nothing but a fraud and a poser.



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Msg ID: 2798361 Someone must have stolen the catalytic converter +0/-0     
Author:lol
11/9/2023 5:13:10 PM

Reply to: 2798018
the gurus fix is to pull the circuit breaker. can’t make this sh*t up!


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Msg ID: 2797798 Astar very loud startup static noise +0/-0     
Author:...
11/3/2023 7:13:29 AM

Reply to: 2797715
Sounds like a bad ground or shielding in the start system wiring. Check what NG/N1 speed when the noise goes away during a battery start. Then see what relay, switch, etc is actuated within that speed range. Once you have an idea trace out the external power circuit and see if any of those items are affected by a EPU start. My guess is you lost a shield grd but you know how those gremlins are.... good luck!


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Msg ID: 2797820 experience has shown me that it is an indication  +0/-0     
Author:the brushes are about ready to fail.
11/3/2023 10:29:50 AM

Reply to: 2797715
sign that you won't get a start soon


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Msg ID: 2797937 experience has shown me that it is an indication  +0/-0     
Author:Had a problem with headset noise once
11/4/2023 6:42:21 PM

Reply to: 2797820

Loud ststic in the headset ... Eventually traced it to a fuel pump...  spent thousands and thousands trying to diagnose it and replaced avionics.  mechanic randomly found the fuel pump was causing the noise while troubleshooting something else. 



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Msg ID: 2798346 Solved- was a generator filter capacitor +0/-0     
Author:OP
11/9/2023 1:27:08 PM

Reply to: 2797937

Ok...our Mx crew figured it out.  Wasn't the brushes....those are new.  Doing some more troubleshooting and digging into Dunston Notes, turns out there are filter capacitors inside the terminal block of the Start-Gen...then confirmed by testing the filter capacitors.

One of ours is bad (circled in image below).  Unfortunately it sounds like those filter caps aren't readily replaceable and must be dealt with at overhaul.  (note:  I'm not an A&P and am doing my best to regurgitate this). 

Mystery solved and maybe this will help someone else out down the road.  

 




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