Msg ID:
2796197 |
EMS is a joke +26/-9
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Author:OsCarNOvEmbercHarlie
10/16/2023 8:04:05 AM
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55% of what we fly has no business in a helicopter. Its all a scam so the hospital can intentionally operate Transport at a loss, in order to receive a massive tax break on the other end. 35% of pax are uninsured, frequent flyer garbage with self inflicted ailments that other operators in the area have too much sense pick up. Everything else gives us a small sense of job satisfaction; helping the people that actually need to fly.
It takes a toll on the crew, MX and the AC. Morale and retention are both awful. Every single talking suit in managment will preach SAFETY until they're blue in the face, but when it really comes down to it, safety takes a back seat to revenue. Its only a matter of time before there's a fatal accident during a flight that never should have happened in the first place.
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Msg ID:
2796202 |
EMS is a joke (NT) +4/-0
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Author:Truth
10/16/2023 8:56:09 AM
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Msg ID:
2796203 |
EMS is a joke (NT) +3/-1
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Author:So nothing has changed recently
10/16/2023 8:56:58 AM
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Msg ID:
2796205 |
same can be said of any airline flight (NT) +0/-3
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Author:boats, cars, trains, bus....
10/16/2023 9:09:35 AM
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Msg ID:
2796206 |
same can be said of any airline flight +3/-3
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Author:Not
10/16/2023 9:29:35 AM
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Really dummy |
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Msg ID:
2796211 |
flying from point a to point b is just a convenience +1/-2
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Author:over other modes of travel
10/16/2023 10:27:10 AM
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including horse drawn covered wagons |
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Msg ID:
2796336 |
flying from point a to point b is just a convenience +2/-0
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Author:New IP Guy
10/18/2023 4:18:10 PM
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No. It's a necessity in most instances for our society to continue as we have in the past. |
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Msg ID:
2796207 |
What do you care? UR paid to drive. so just drive (NT) +3/-6
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Author:Mini Driver
10/16/2023 9:30:52 AM
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Msg ID:
2796209 |
What do you care? UR paid to drive. so just drive +6/-5
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Author:OP
10/16/2023 10:23:08 AM
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exactly the kind of myopic, low IQ comment I've come to expect on JH. |
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Msg ID:
2796210 |
EMS is a joke +1/-1
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Author:Ff
10/16/2023 10:26:28 AM
Reply to: 2796197
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Well said. People that "thumbs down" this post don't get "it". |
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Msg ID:
2796214 |
EMS is a joke +1/-10
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Author:BRO WHO CARES
10/16/2023 10:43:51 AM
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what you fly and who you fly in EMS. Seriously. yiur getting paid to do it maybe 1-2 flights a day yoh work. WOW. if you look at your cyclic time by what you get paid it's pretty good. THEN Leave and go get a job sitting in the seat for 8-10hr a a day flying off shore or idiot tours dealing with foreign tourists. Yeah HEMSis a easy job. We've off on those thosewe've all flown those stupid flights, but who cares the next day you might not fly for two days due to weather and guess what???? you're collecting a paycheck. if you don't like it leave or go to the airlines |
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Msg ID:
2796217 |
EMS is a joke +4/-4
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Author:OP
10/16/2023 11:33:03 AM
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"Better to keep quiet and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." |
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Msg ID:
2796220 |
EMS is a joke +2/-3
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Author:yeah OP
10/16/2023 11:42:49 AM
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keep your mouth shut...you sound whinny, like a typical millenial....BRO...EMS is the easiest job you will get flying....your just being a baby....Do you do the billing for your company? Do you fight for reimbursement etc....WHY do you even care on who you fly...."take a toll on the aircraft"....your a idiot if you haven't flown any other job besides this..relax...get your cup of coffee in the am and take your nap and do you MAYBE 1 fligtht a day grandpa....geeeez whine baby |
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Msg ID:
2797293 |
EMS is a joke +1/-0
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Author:New IP Guy
10/29/2023 1:36:07 PM
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Yeah, whinny. Your intelligence does not manifest itself in English written language. |
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Msg ID:
2796218 |
EMS is a joke +0/-0
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Author:tell me about the tax break thing
10/16/2023 11:35:25 AM
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a lot of people seem to think losing money is profitable because of “tax breaks”. maybe it’s true but how does it work. |
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Msg ID:
2796221 |
EMS is a joke +2/-3
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Author:OP
10/16/2023 12:01:02 PM
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Simple -
Hospital transports as many pax as possible via air knowing they'll never collect a single dime (demographics. Sorry, its just a fact) or medicare/medicaid/insurance won't cover the full amount. Hospital runs millions of dollars in the red, with helicopters the main LOSS LEADER (look it up).
Quarterly, they go to Uncle Sam with hat in hand, showing how their transport department is running in the red, thus using it as a write-off on the taxes. |
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Msg ID:
2796261 |
EMS is a joke (NT) +0/-0
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Author:Yep -- spend $100 to save $30.
10/17/2023 12:16:53 AM
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Msg ID:
2796219 |
EMS is a joke +0/-1
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Author:and how does it take a toll
10/16/2023 11:37:51 AM
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on the aircraft. what a dumb thing to say. |
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Msg ID:
2796225 |
EMS is a joke +0/-5
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Author:Opie
10/16/2023 12:08:01 PM
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You think its a good thing to fly an EC135/EC145 160 hrs/month, 30+ legs per day, hundreds of start cycles, takeoffs/landings and sujected to WX 24/7?
Is that seriously your question? Normal wear and tare on a hanger princess is hard enough. Now take your multimillion dollar investment, leave it outside around the clock in the heat and humidity of the SE United States and tell me how that works out for you.
Idiot post. Think before you click submit. |
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Msg ID:
2796229 |
EMS is a joke +1/-1
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Author:WHY do you pay for it
10/16/2023 12:46:49 PM
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geeez relax Karen....if your flying it that much then parts are replaced etc and maint. checks per your company 135 Maint....sched....YOU still sound like a NANCY for Bro....Think BEFORE you post Bro...and relax and be grateful you have a job....OR better yet, call your president of the company and your Union that you feel sorry for the aircraft...hahaha......Such a whinny Karen... |
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Msg ID:
2796294 |
EMS is a joke +1/-1
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Author:Where are you flying 30 legs per day?
10/17/2023 7:10:30 PM
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160 hrs /month.. You were so close troll. |
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Msg ID:
2796350 |
EMS is a joke +0/-0
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Author:Gooch
10/18/2023 10:21:20 PM
Reply to: 2796225
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You must work in Floriduh
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Msg ID:
2796226 |
EMS is a joke +0/-0
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Author:There’s also
10/16/2023 12:08:58 PM
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The fact its such an ongoing scam that Congress had to step in and put the NSA in place. Pilots been doing it for cheap forever, why pay em now? |
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Msg ID:
2796228 |
EMS is a joke +2/-2
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Author:nobody thinks about the helicopter
10/16/2023 12:36:23 PM
Reply to: 2796226
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the poor helicopter. it makes me sad to think about it |
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Msg ID:
2796230 |
the OP is a whinny Karen +0/-2
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Author:why not put
10/16/2023 12:48:03 PM
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PUBLIC Use aircraft in this top as well like the PD and Fire helicopters.....PD guys fly around at 500ft and don't even arrest anyone....lol |
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Msg ID:
2796239 |
the OP is a whinny Karen +1/-0
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Author:EMS
10/16/2023 1:51:13 PM
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Should be public use |
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Msg ID:
2796240 |
EMS is a joke +1/-1
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Author:I told my son about
10/16/2023 1:58:38 PM
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the bad morale and all the wear and tear on the helicopters, and he started crying. |
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Msg ID:
2796245 |
EMS is a joke +5/-2
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Author:olderendirt
10/16/2023 5:34:42 PM
Reply to: 2796197
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"55% of what we fly has no business in a helicopter. Its all a scam so the hospital can intentionally operate Transport at a loss, in order to receive a massive tax break on the other end. 35% of pax are uninsured, frequent flyer garbage with self inflicted ailments that other operators in the area have too much sense pick up. Everything else gives us a small sense of job satisfaction; helping the people that actually need to fly.
"It takes a toll on the crew, MX and the AC. Morale and retention are both awful. Every single talking suit in managment will preach SAFETY until they're blue in the face, but when it really comes down to it, safety takes a back seat to revenue. Its only a matter of time before there's a fatal accident during a flight that never should have happened in the first place."
Been flying since 1968. Since I left the service, it don't make any difference to me why, who or what I'm flying. I get paid the same to "save lives" in EMS as I do to give rides at the fair, or the canyon or the beach. It ain't my fault some goober drove his pickup into a wall or ran over a kid. I don't save lives, the medics do. I just drive the bus. |
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Msg ID:
2796253 |
EMS is a joke +0/-2
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Author:Dear OP
10/16/2023 9:30:35 PM
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Have you been flying EMS for very long?
I'm guessing no. There have already been accidents and people have died over flights that didn't need to happen. I'm glad your not at my base. 60 to 70 flighs a month might kill you. |
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Msg ID:
2796254 |
EMS is a joke +0/-0
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Author:imagine being this upset
10/16/2023 9:48:37 PM
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and outraged about something, yet doing it for a living. |
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Msg ID:
2796255 |
EMS is a joke +0/-1
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Author:Pretty good
10/16/2023 10:14:47 PM
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sign its time to move on |
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Msg ID:
2796258 |
EMS is a joke +0/-0
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Author:the best part of his stupid rant
10/16/2023 11:30:45 PM
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is the part where they make money by losing money. it has something to do with demographics lol |
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Msg ID:
2796256 |
And you’re just learning this LOL +0/-1
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Author:Been like that since it started
10/16/2023 11:11:35 PM
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That's funny. Young man do yourself a favor and go be an airline pilot. |
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Msg ID:
2796265 |
EMS is a joke +0/-3
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Author:I remember
10/17/2023 7:34:17 AM
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my first month in EMS, too. And when I told my six year old girl about the tax break/demographics thing, she started to cry. |
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Msg ID:
2796269 |
EMS is a joke +0/-3
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Author:Your numbers are WRONG
10/17/2023 10:29:03 AM
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When I flew EMS (2006) the numbers are actually closer to 75%, not 55%. Unless that many more people are getting seriously injured and meet the "Life, Limb, or Eyesight" criteria. |
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Msg ID:
2796274 |
EMS is a joke +0/-1
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Author:the criteria is
10/17/2023 11:19:54 AM
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whoever has the authority to call a helicopter says it is |
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Msg ID:
2796276 |
EMS is a joke +0/-0
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Author:False
10/17/2023 11:33:57 AM
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Msg ID:
2796282 |
EMS is a joke +0/-2
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Author:oldNtired
10/17/2023 1:27:19 PM
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55 % that you fly have no business in a helicopter? What about the other 45 % ? Sure nice to have around if you need it !!! I guess the same can be said about our city, state and federal goverment. You should quit and give some other guy the opportunity for a seat. You could then take your superior intelligence (because your a helicopter pilot) throughout the would and clean up all the messes that are confounding you. |
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Msg ID:
2796286 |
EMS is a joke +0/-2
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Author:For helicopter pilots
10/17/2023 3:23:22 PM
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Being so smart. Why is it that a majority of them are broke and destitute? |
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Msg ID:
2796287 |
EMS is a joke +0/-1
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Author:olderendirt
10/17/2023 3:54:53 PM
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When I flew EMS (2006) the numbers are actually closer to 75%, not 55%. Unless that many more people are getting seriously injured and meet the "Life, Limb, or Eyesight" criteria.
Those flights that don't truly require HEMS are the ones that pay the bills for those for whom the HEMS is truly a benefit. Most of those trauma/emergent medical cases are no-pays or pay a very small percentage of actual costs.
The "American health care system" is well and truly fecked by being overly dependent on 'health insurance', primarily paid for indirectly through employer provided benefits. Even if you have 'cafeteria plans' available they are provided with advantage to those responsible, which are not you or yours.
As I understand it, your employers group demographics determine the plan structure and benefits available to you. Your actual benefit is very limited by the fact that YOU do not directly select options to maximise utility- you choose from the 'menu of limited options' available through your employer and it's contracted insurers. My opinion is that pilots, being a group of selected health risks by the professional requirement to meet pilot physicals should not be lumped in with the broader general demographics. |
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Msg ID:
2796322 |
EMS is a joke +1/-1
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Author:Many many
10/18/2023 1:34:35 PM
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fatal accidents have already occurred during transport of a hang nail. All this HAA stuff started in the early '70s as the military MAST program which proved to be viable, but not really a military mission. The evolution of HAA has a miserable record provided by ignorant management on both the medical and aviation side. Wish I could provide a silver bullet but the only I can think about ref: the subject is "slow down, think, figure how to do things properly". Ain't gonna happen. |
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Msg ID:
2796394 |
EMS is a joke +1/-0
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Author:this sentence should tell you
10/19/2023 11:55:59 AM
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this idiot has never flown ems in his life
"Its only a matter of time before there's a fatal accident during a flight that never should have happened in the first place."
ayfkm bro |
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Msg ID:
2796421 |
EMS is a joke +0/-0
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Author:Gov dude
10/19/2023 4:27:58 PM
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This is why it needs to be made a part of the federal government.
A new EMS side of the Dept of Trans, Get federal funding, fly newer well equip helicopters with the best training in the industry. Fort Rucker! |
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Msg ID:
2796428 |
EMS is a joke +0/-0
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Author:Agree
10/19/2023 5:18:28 PM
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Just socialize it |
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Msg ID:
2796448 |
EMS is a joke +0/-0
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Author:Really?????
10/19/2023 8:17:51 PM
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I think he was being facetious.....
Coast Guard on average take 30+ to get off the ground.
Nothing would be funny a waste of money than a national helicopter service.
Kind of like how the forest service can't seem to find aircraft to do what they want....so... Blackhawks and full time crews for a national fire service.
GO Big Government! |
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Msg ID:
2796451 |
EMS is a joke +0/-0
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Author:Bigger
10/19/2023 9:16:47 PM
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The better. Increase taxes and end health insurance. |
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Msg ID:
2796532 |
EMS is a joke +1/-0
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Author:Anonymous
10/20/2023 5:24:40 PM
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was going to mention that! |
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