Click here to close
New Message Alert
List Entire Thread
Msg ID: 2795522 LOSA @ PHI  +5/-3     
Author:James Comey
10/5/2023 10:54:54 AM

LOSA (Line Operations Safety Audit) at PHI, what a joke. Sounds like govt. FISA abuse to me. 

Spying on the pilots all under the guise of safety. This wil only be for 30 days, YEAH RIGHT!!

"All video and audio files will be deleted upon completion of the review" -uh huh ok

"There will be no attempt to identify the crew or base in the recordings. In the event a pilot, crew member, or base is inadvertently recognized by the auditor, the information will not be noted or logged." -uh huh ok got it

"Principle of Immunity: Just as there will be no attempt to identify crew members in the recordings there will be no effort to contact, correct, or apply discipline for observed instances of mistakes or non-compliance." -ok perfect sounds good

THIS IS A BAD IDEA. 



Reply  Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2795525 LOSA @ PHI  +10/-2     
Author:Topjimmy
10/5/2023 11:07:50 AM

Reply to: 2795522

Follow your Ops Manual, don't do anything wrong, and fly it the way they pay you to fly it.  No issues.



Reply  Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2795528 LOSA @ PHI  +0/-1     
Author:Topjimmy HAS to be in mgt
10/5/2023 11:18:10 AM

Reply to: 2795525

Rah rah yeah hooray!!! Topjimmy you are totally missing the point!!!! They should not be monitoring flights that are not flagged. Period end of story. 



Reply  Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2795529 LOSA @ PHI  +0/-0     
Author:Topjimmy
10/5/2023 11:20:38 AM

Reply to: 2795528

Nope, not management.  Line pilot.  What exactly is it that you want to do in THEIR aircraft that you're afraid they'll call you out on?  



Reply  Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2795531 What if there’s a private conversation enroute. +1/-3     
Author:Snorky
10/5/2023 11:50:23 AM

Reply to: 2795529

Let's suppose you are considering transitioning and are looking for encouragement and positive reinforcement from your co-pilot. This would be a very personal and private conversation. Management doesn't need to know this until you are ready to tell them.



Reply  Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2795536 What if there’s a private conversation enroute. +0/-0     
Author:yeah
10/5/2023 12:33:45 PM

Reply to: 2795531
God forbid that ever got around.


Reply  Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2795532 LOSA @ PHI  +1/-1     
Author:Attention topjimmy
10/5/2023 11:52:17 AM

Reply to: 2795528

You realize PHI has the LAMPS system in the A/C for a reason correct?

Its for monitoring A/C performance and flight profiles....some of which will get flagged and you can expect a call when certain parameters are met or exceeded. Perfectly reasonible.

But to monitor any flight just because you feel the need to spy on your staff seems like an over-reach and you may put undo stress on an already anxious pilot afraid of exceeding a rate of descent or bank angle. It's just not a good idea. Have some faith in those doing the right things and have discussions with those having LAMPS exceedances.   



Reply  Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2795570 LOSA @ PHI  +0/-0     
Author:say wut
10/5/2023 2:35:16 PM

Reply to: 2795532

it makes me so nervous and anxious lol. lamps has nothing to do with performance bozo



Reply  Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2795587 LOSA @ PHI  +0/-0     
Author:Say Huh
10/5/2023 3:56:32 PM

Reply to: 2795570

It doesnt have anything to do with performance? Really?
You are the bozo.

What the majority of the people know on this forum could fit on the tip of a pin. Yes a pin like a needle not an ink pen. 



Reply  Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2795676 LOSA @ PHI  +1/-0     
Author:Softball moms
10/6/2023 9:41:06 PM

Reply to: 2795532

I think it also gets involved in CRM during critical phases of flight. Not necessarily to ding the pilot but also to monitor and call out the nurse that's texting her bf (not scanning and doing her part )about the pos ex that is spending money on his hot gf he dumped you for instead of cleats for junior.  For the record junior hates softball and quit using that an excuse to tell everyone you're a FN at the ball field.  Your 98k mile BMW that you owe out the azz for is gonna get expensive when your extended warranty expires.  Maybe a versa or altima suits you better!!  

 

signed your pilot that listens 



Reply  Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2795530 LOSA @ PHI  +1/-1     
Author:666
10/5/2023 11:39:59 AM

Reply to: 2795522

Heard from an instructor, it is all B.S.

Just a way to scare pilots into cleaning up their act, nothing more, relax it is NOT real!



Reply  Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2795612 What's at the bottom of the announcement? +1/-1     
Author:Go look
10/5/2023 7:50:50 PM

Reply to: 2795522

"In the event a crew member chooses not to participate in the LOSA Program, they should contact the LAMP Manager"

If you're worried about it, opt out. Or did you forget to actually read the whole email?



Reply  Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2795734 What's at the bottom of the announcement? +0/-0     
Author:oldNtired
10/7/2023 4:29:35 PM

Reply to: 2795612

Its a paradox for me.  I miss the flying and Friends but I'm glad I'm out of the industry.  Its become nothing but more Millennial Madness combined by the social (ist) elements.



Reply  Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2795739 Cool, but no one asked. +0/-3     
Author:Very Off Topic
10/7/2023 7:14:46 PM

Reply to: 2795734

I enjoy the friends and flying, but I do have to work with a bunch of old pilots who don't understand foreflight and how to operate an ipad. (Not that anyone asked)



Reply  Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2795789 Cool, but no one asked. +1/-0     
Author:New IP Guy
10/8/2023 6:08:52 PM

Reply to: 2795739

You must be the guru of all gurus operating foreflight on your ipad. All hail to the guru! That and a dollar might get you a cup of coffee.



Reply  Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2796061 LOSA @ PHI  +0/-0     
Author:1984
10/14/2023 10:43:12 AM

Reply to: 2795522

sure is here.



Reply  Return-To-Index