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Msg ID: 2795078 Medically Emerent vs Convenient  +6/-0     
Author:OP
9/28/2023 11:06:36 PM

For HAA pilots, just curious how as to much BS is flown vs critical, medically necessary, etc.?  3/4 of what I fly is ridiculous.  I don't think HAA in it's current form is sustainable.



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Msg ID: 2795079 Medically Emerent vs Convenient  +3/-4     
Author:You’re an air taxi driver
9/28/2023 11:17:07 PM

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What would you know about business feasibility. Just focus on your task, flying. 



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Msg ID: 2795099 Medically Emerent vs Convenient  +3/-4     
Author:Just fly already
9/29/2023 6:55:00 AM

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Why are you second guessing the medical decision. It's often about the golden hour, getting the patient to a higher lever of care so it can be determined how bad things really are. Quite often it's not that bad, but would you want to take a chance of not flying your family member because they 'may be' OK?

I bet you like when the Med Crew get in your cock-pit and tell you when to fly?



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Msg ID: 2795135 Medically Emerent vs Convenient  +0/-0     
Author:Agree
9/29/2023 6:54:37 PM

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Well said except for the bit about med crews getting in to the cockpit etc.



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Msg ID: 2795082 It's all about bed space  +5/-1     
Author:Clean beds make money
9/28/2023 11:27:35 PM

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Medical director says many times using the aircraft just accomplishes the task. Vacating a bed. Today's patients are like produce. Very time limited and day 1-5 is where the money is made.

The entire nation is short in transportation assets. 

Ride the wave.

The big adjustment is coming. 3-5 years you will see a 50 percent reduction in the number of aircraft nationwide. 

20 years of growth is over.



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Msg ID: 2795083 Who am I to say? I’m just the pilot and don’t concern (NT) +5/-0     
Author:myself with medical necessity questions
9/28/2023 11:33:41 PM

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Msg ID: 2795103 agree +7/-2     
Author:Anonymous
9/29/2023 7:18:29 AM

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this is the answer. 

the flight request comes in. you the pilot decide if it can be done legally and safely, if yes, accept, if no turn down. if you accept and the medical crew refuses on whatever grounds they offer, drop it, forget it, go back to bed. 

for whatever reason, this simple concept seems difficult or impossible for some pilots to accept. very strange. 

are a large portion of flights medically unnecessary? yes. do the flights put financial burdens on families? yes. one day there may be nuremberg trials of capitalism and we pilots may be in the dock. at that time our defense can only be, "i was just following orders--just doing my job." history shows that defense failed--will it succeed for us if and when we are all called to account? your guess is as good as mine. meanwhile, up to our necks in the system, we press on. 



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Msg ID: 2795113 Medically Emerent vs Convenient  +2/-3     
Author:Shalom
9/29/2023 10:29:33 AM

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The BS transfers are what pay to make the aircraft available for when it's really needed.



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Msg ID: 2795130 Medically Emerent vs Convenient  +0/-1     
Author:olderendirt
9/29/2023 4:51:25 PM

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The BS transfers are what pay to make the aircraft available for when it's really needed.

Exactly. Something like three-quarters of scene flights are no-pays.

 

The IFTs are generally reviewed with compensation in the process. The patient can die in the original facility as well as some 'higher care facility'; and it's cheaper if that happens.

You want government healthcare? I don't, I was raised as a military dependent and I can say that's when the healthcare was good, it was as good as any. But when it was bad, one had no choice but make the best of it. That's pretty much what you're advocating.

If you want actual medical necessity as the defining criteria, you're going to have to accept a government body over-seeing flight requests, not medical experts.

 



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Msg ID: 2795123 Here's how I see it +0/-3     
Author:My pov
9/29/2023 1:12:19 PM

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My base does a lot of IFT's. Some are time is brain situation, some are just taking the patient to where they can get an operation done. In any case, the alternative is an ambulance with a lower standard of care. Most of our transports go off without a hitch, but some don't. In those cases, the patient is better off with us vs an ambo. It's like insurance, if you never use it you feel like you're getting ripped off. If you do need it though, boy are you glad to have it. In any case, I'm just the pilot.


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Msg ID: 2795128 Medically Emerent vs Convenient  +6/-3     
Author:first off
9/29/2023 4:05:50 PM

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stop using the word emergent as it has nothing to do with something being an emergency. it's something stupid med crews says to make themselves sound smart. second, I don't know why anyone would say it's unsustainable since it's been sustaining itself for a helluva long time and it's not about to change



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Msg ID: 2795682 Medically Emerent vs Convenient  +0/-0     
Author:Gopher
10/6/2023 11:33:30 PM

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Just stay in your lane and be a good little vendor pilot.


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Msg ID: 2795786 Medically Emerent vs Convenient  +0/-0     
Author:70/30
10/8/2023 5:20:29 PM

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unethical and unsustainable



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