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Msg ID: 2787105 LTE in B407 +1/-1     
Author:Common?
7/4/2023 10:28:20 PM

Is loss of tail rotor effectiveness common in the B407 when in a landing profile with a slight TAILWIND? Or if LTE is aided by putting in right pedal with a high power setting?



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Msg ID: 2787210 LTE in B407 +3/-1     
Author:not common but
7/5/2023 1:16:14 PM

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but don't let it get away from you



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Msg ID: 2787211 LTE in B407 +2/-0     
Author:An Army Guy
7/5/2023 1:55:04 PM

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Extremely rare compared to a 206, but I can remember seeing at least 2 crash videos of 407's which were pretty obviously LTE. So not impossible, but if I remember right it's not mentioned in the RFM like in the 206 manual. Been a while but I felt the 407 T/R was VERY responsive.


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Msg ID: 2787216 LTE in B407 +2/-3     
Author:OG
7/5/2023 3:46:24 PM

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LTE or Unanticipated Right Yaw. If one pays attention to performance charts, wind direction and velocity the loss of tail rotor athority is a non problem. There aren't any cases of loss of tail rotor authority if the aircraft is'nt operated over allowable performance gross weight and is operated within wind limitations. Some aircraft have a smaller margin of safety but all are safe if the pilot operates within the limitations. Buttom line, much like other aspects of safety, the pilot is generally going to be a big part of the problem in crashes.



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Msg ID: 2787222 LTE in B407 +0/-1     
Author:say wut
7/5/2023 6:41:46 PM

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are you high bro



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Msg ID: 2787400 LTE in B407 +0/-1     
Author:say wut
7/7/2023 3:40:17 AM

Reply to: 2787216

 

where do these idiots come from

"There aren't any cases of loss of tail rotor authority if the aircraft is'nt operated over allowable performance gross weight and is operated within wind limitations."

 



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Msg ID: 2787285 LTE in B407 +1/-1     
Author:Have not seen it
7/6/2023 12:16:35 AM

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Have not seen it since I have been flying the 407.  



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Msg ID: 2787287 LTE in B407 +1/-1     
Author:407 utility trash
7/6/2023 12:42:01 AM

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Every traditional tail rotored helicopter has the potential to be in high GW. High altitude. Unfavorable wind azimuth or a combination of some or all of those conditions and the pilot will have a high collective power selected when the T/R will reach at or near full pitch based on pedal placement by the pilot. And it will still start a nose left yaw. If the above control inputs are rapid you can expect a rapid event when the t/r no longer produces enough counter active thrust.

 The condition has many fixes. First reduce the collective to a lower setting and  simutainiously Unload the t/r to near neutral then smoothly input left pedal to stop the right yaw. Smooth is slow here friends.

 Where I fly the airport is 6000msl and the work goes up to 13,000msl with d/a altitudes outside the charts so this exact thing occurs regularly. It's nothing to panic about and  often avoidable once that TQ gets high and left foot is reaching uncomfortably.



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Msg ID: 2787453 LTE in B407 +1/-1     
Author:Really?
7/7/2023 8:01:26 PM

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A nose left yaw huh.....



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Msg ID: 2787290 LTE in B407 +0/-1     
Author:Anonymous
7/6/2023 3:09:30 AM

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No



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