Msg ID:
2784558 |
Flying in smoke +0/-7
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Author:Finn
6/7/2023 7:22:35 AM
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With the hazy smoke conditions in the NE caused by Canadian wildfires what should one go by when it comes to the engine being a turbine or piston for that matter. Is there anything in writing out there on smoke particles and engine health or potential flame out? |
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Msg ID:
2784562 |
Flying in smoke +2/-3
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Author:Yes
6/7/2023 7:56:25 AM
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Go drive a taxi. That's all you're capable of!! |
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Msg ID:
2784563 |
Flying in smoke +2/-11
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Author:Hey Little
6/7/2023 7:58:07 AM
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Sky pilot, what's your AFM have in it about that???? NOTHING you robbie ranger!!! |
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Msg ID:
2784570 |
Flying in smoke +9/-1
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Author:gringo
6/7/2023 10:21:01 AM
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You would pass out way before your engine starves of oxygen to run, plus you'd be flying in like 0/0.
If you don't have any filtration system do compressor washes a lot more frequently, you will see evidence on your rotorblades from the ash your flying through in the form of white residue on the leading edges as well as on the surfaces on your airframe.
Having said all that, it's probably no different than smog pollution if your not right flying right downwind of the smoke column. |
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Msg ID:
2784582 |
Flying in smoke +17/-2
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Author:Fire guy
6/7/2023 11:08:56 AM
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Somehow the fire aircraft seem to survive working up close but you're worried about a flame out in drift smoke? For f**k's sake, find a new line of work. You need a helmet and adult supervision 24/7 |
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Msg ID:
2784590 |
Flying in smoke +3/-2
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Author:Agreed
6/7/2023 12:59:15 PM
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Its funny people are worried about flying around in smoke.... but will take an aircraft on a perfectly clear day and land in a sand dune to pick a patient up.....
Comp Wash and Rinse and watch your filters. Particulate is particulate. |
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Msg ID:
2784602 |
Flying in smoke +0/-5
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Author:Nice try
6/7/2023 3:36:21 PM
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EMS is not firefighting. Poser |
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Msg ID:
2784627 |
Flying in smoke +1/-1
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Author:Agreed
6/7/2023 8:14:40 PM
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You are correct. But when I have to fly through the smoke after after a burn over so transport some poor human I fly through the same crap that you do.
Prior to HAA I flew fires... I rember watching an EC145 depart IFR in smoke while I was grounded because of it. smoke is smoke. |
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Msg ID:
2784584 |
Flying in smoke +3/-4
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Author:Yes
6/7/2023 11:56:46 AM
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Just a reminder that most pilots on this forum are couks. Yes, even in you have an intake filter, but especially if you don't, the engine ie turbine blades should be washed after every flight in heavy smoke. Smoke is actually carbon molecules that can build up on the turbine blades causing a gradual loss of power, or worse. |
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Msg ID:
2784589 |
Flying in smoke +8/-2
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Author:Orange pilot
6/7/2023 12:58:09 PM
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Some thoughtful replies. No fire fighting machine I've ever seen has anything special added to filter engine air. In fact sky cranes have no filter at all. We don't wash the compressors very often, usually when the 10 hour power check trends show slightly higher TOTs. |
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Msg ID:
2784598 |
Flying in smoke +6/-1
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Author:Anonymous
6/7/2023 3:11:13 PM
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Back in the olden days I had a Jet Ranger that was no passing power checks. Several comp washes and even a comp inspection made no difference. Mechanic took the particle separator to the car wash. Gallons of dirty water later we had a plus 10 engine. |
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Msg ID:
2784605 |
Smoke'em if you got'en. (NT) +1/-2
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Author:Gordo
6/7/2023 3:39:52 PM
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Msg ID:
2784609 |
Smoke'em if you got'en. +1/-2
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Author:Mech
6/7/2023 3:51:25 PM
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OP, is correct in questioning. All you know it all pilots should ask your mechs. Most turbine manufacturers have criteria about flying in such an environment by different types and recommend engine rinse and compressor washing intervals. |
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Msg ID:
2784620 |
Flying in smoke +1/-2
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Author:Anonymous
6/7/2023 6:41:44 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUwEIt9ez7M
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Msg ID:
2785009 |
Flying in smoke +0/-0
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Author:Been there
6/13/2023 12:04:07 AM
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i had an engine flame out crossing throughvery heavy black buckbrush smoke in a Crane. Performed a restart with no problems. Never did that again. Flew a 205 with K&N style oiled filters and they worked unbelieveably well. On a really thick smoke day they would be black with particulateS and would be cleaned daily. Engine wear was much less withtem |
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