Msg ID:
2784108 |
Dropping like flies in the NE +3/-9
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Author:Not always the pay
5/31/2023 9:43:18 AM
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Sadly, I'm in an organization that has lost over 50 pilots in my tenure of 20 years. Each time one goes, especially the good ones, we end up taking two steps backwards.
The pay is above average. No pressure to fly. Many pilots make 125-150 year.
What keeps people? Pay or lifestyle?
I debated on going back to Corp, but feel obligated to stay to keep some sort of stability. Not for me, but for the people in the back that are very good friends. |
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Msg ID:
2784112 |
Dropping like flies in the NE +3/-1
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Author:If
5/31/2023 10:11:34 AM
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you're not doing it for the pay then that shouldn't matter,eh?!? |
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Msg ID:
2784114 |
Dropping like flies in the NE +1/-1
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Author:Op
5/31/2023 10:24:38 AM
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Trying to find what base pay will solve the problem.
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Msg ID:
2784121 |
Dropping like flies in the NE +8/-1
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Author:pay leave
5/31/2023 11:51:51 AM
Reply to: 2784114
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Lot of variables....the northeast can have people leaving just because of the geographical area because they want to go to the Carolinas or Florida and it doesnt matter how good the job is. Other times leaving a good job is because of bad management, all it takes is one bad manager that you have to deal with on a constant basis and it can ruin an otherwise good job. The other problem is the Northeast is expensive to live in, so even 120-150k can be a problem unless you want to drive over an hour and a half to work. Boston Medflight has that problem, while base pay is above average, the housing market in the metrowest area of Boston is very high so you have to get fairly far away depending on what base it is to get something affordable. Now I dont know exactly where you are talking about of course, could be NYC, NJ, CT/MA or way up north in the VT NH ME but those are all very different markets. Poor maintenance or equipment can be a put off too. Any other details? |
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Msg ID:
2784126 |
Dropping like flies in the NE +3/-1
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Author:Op
5/31/2023 1:20:01 PM
Reply to: 2784121
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We do things just a bit better than others, which doesn't set us apart in any way. Cost of living is good. Pay is ok. Management is improving. Unfortunately, the satisfaction for the job just isn't there being an overglorified ambulance.
Not sure what the secret sauce would be to make the place more attractive. |
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Msg ID:
2784132 |
Dropping like flies in the NE +4/-1
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Author:Anony
5/31/2023 2:59:03 PM
Reply to: 2784126
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I forgot to ask but are you conducting exit interviews? Of the 50 pilots who left what have they been saying was the reason? Another kicker is when you operate in an area with lots of other helicopter jobs there is always something else to move on to, you may run a nice place but if you got a pilot who really wants to fly a 139 and you don't operate one then they are out the door. The northeast has lots of opportunities to fly just about anything and most missions. If you were the only game in town then people who grew up in that area and fly are gonna be lifers. I know you can say who you work for but it feels like BMF, I know it's a revolving door up there despite having very nice aircraft and a great culture. The DHART guys have the very low cost of living helping them and the quiet life that is mainly up there goes for Lifeflight of Maine too. Once you get down in the Umass and Hartford Lifestar programs you are dealing with low pay and typica AMC nonsense that would leave very little doubt as to why folks leave to go fly Bob Kraft or any number of the corporate places up there where 200k starts becoming an option |
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Msg ID:
2784133 |
Dropping like flies in the NE +4/-3
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Author:BTDT.
5/31/2023 3:17:22 PM
Reply to: 2784132
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VERY high cost of living in that area, no state tax? yep, but they tax the crap out of you for everything else. A shack within 1 hrs drive of the base will cost you 200K + More bang for your buck elsewhere. |
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Msg ID:
2784134 |
Dropping like flies in the NE +6/-1
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Author:Bad culture
5/31/2023 3:23:13 PM
Reply to: 2784132
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Bad Culture is BMF's biggest problem followed by low pay. For example if AMC had an aircraft at Bedford a new hire with no EMS experience would start at 137k. BMF pilots should be making this money easy without OT. But I know they are not. Rumor has it the last interviews offered 113k to start which is to low. Culture and work life balance is another reason BMF can't keep med crew either. |
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Msg ID:
2784201 |
Same way in the Southern states. (NT) +1/-1
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Author:Rick
6/1/2023 1:24:43 PM
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Msg ID:
2784166 |
Dropping like flies in the NE +2/-2
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Author:Utility wax
6/1/2023 1:09:48 AM
Reply to: 2784108
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50 pilots in 20 years inst too bad. I'd guess in a 8-10 helicopter operation in utility over 20 years that number would be in the 100's. Schedule, money and disorganization is what makes most of us drift around. |
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Msg ID:
2784259 |
They leave because they are violated by +0/-3
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Author:State & local taxes and stupid laws
6/2/2023 12:23:19 PM
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Not to forget the lead pilots are involved on many fronts trying to get laid. Medcrew are even worse. Management creates more and more paperwork and stupid requirements. |
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Msg ID:
2784300 |
Dropping like flies in the NE +1/-1
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Author:Sounds like
6/2/2023 10:01:47 PM
Reply to: 2784108
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ur probably 50. Hope you have corporate doors open if you decide to go that direction. |
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Msg ID:
2785022 |
Is this a HEMES OP? (NT) +0/-0
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Author:If so, how many bases?
6/13/2023 10:53:40 AM
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