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Msg ID: 2781502 NVG scene +1/-16     
Author:Personal experience
5/5/2023 7:34:22 PM

Don't rely on your GOM to make safety calls for you. I have the left side Med crew member open the door when I'm below 40kts. They keep their weight inside the helicopter but step out on the skid to help me clear any unseen obstacles. It's the safest thing to do. We train this at the base as well during any post-maintenance Flights. Piggy back those and you get enough reps in no prob. 



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Msg ID: 2781504 NVG scene +5/-5     
Author:AMC Guy
5/5/2023 7:56:28 PM

Reply to: 2781502
Most GOMs will have you fired if you did that. Safer bet might be to do your approach crabbed where you can see along the edge of the dash or out your door if you can't see well. Keep your medcrew buckled in. It's still your fault if you fly into something that that supposedly cleared you to fly into.


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Msg ID: 2781505 NVG scene +2/-3     
Author:Get real
5/5/2023 8:01:28 PM

Reply to: 2781504

I'd rather be alive than fired. Use the best tool God gave you. Your brain. 



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Msg ID: 2781507 NVG scene +0/-3     
Author:Not all pilots
5/5/2023 8:13:19 PM

Reply to: 2781505

Have any. If you had any you would know that. 



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Msg ID: 2781508 NVG scene +0/-4     
Author:Think outside the box
5/5/2023 8:15:10 PM

Reply to: 2781507

Corporate child 



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Msg ID: 2781509 NVG scene +9/-1     
Author:Great advice
5/5/2023 8:21:01 PM

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Msg ID: 2781512 NVG scene +4/-2     
Author:My crews do the exact same thing...
5/5/2023 9:38:27 PM

Reply to: 2781502

... except they have a 35,000 lumen handheld spotlight to use to scan around to look for wires.  My best medic uses a monkey strap, so sometimes he gets a little carried away, and ends up hanging below the skids until we land.  No big deal, he's prior military.



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Msg ID: 2781531 I don't see the logic behind that +4/-2     
Author:Me and not you
5/6/2023 10:00:44 AM

Reply to: 2781502

Do you do your recon before you land?

Do you alternate light on and light off to create contrast?

Do you come in fairly steep and slow at a slight crab if you need it?

10 years and never had an issue was always able to see obstacles using this method

Hanging someone out, especially with no potective strap keeping them in the helicopter is just plain risky and wreckless and your'e flying your aircraft in a way that is inconsistent with the rules you have agreed to uphold with your company.

If you don't like the rules you have two options:

1. Bring it up with your chain of command and express your concerns to try to get a resolution

2. Look at how you are doing your approaches - Maybe there's something you can change to improve your safety and comfort profile out side of deviation from the rules

3. Find another job

 

Those are really your only options ... otherwise if something were to happy, you personally can be sued and lose pretty much everything and hurt / kill someone along the way

Is it worth it?



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Msg ID: 2781534 I don't see the logic behind that +1/-1     
Author:say wut
5/6/2023 10:16:54 AM

Reply to: 2781531

did you really think this is real lol



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Msg ID: 2781539 I don't see the logic behind that +0/-1     
Author:annon
5/6/2023 11:08:08 AM

Reply to: 2781534

single pilot A/C.  



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Msg ID: 2781540 I don't see the logic behind that +3/-1     
Author:A/C is an abbreviation for
5/6/2023 11:24:03 AM

Reply to: 2781539

air conditioning. ACFT is correct because aircraft is one word.



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Msg ID: 2781557 I don't see the logic behind that +0/-2     
Author:Has
5/6/2023 4:30:36 PM

Reply to: 2781534

been done at a lot of ops.  Don't think it by is widespread practice at all.



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Msg ID: 2781556 NVG scene +2/-3     
Author:Stopped
5/6/2023 4:26:09 PM

Reply to: 2781502

this at our op.  Thanks f ya can't get into a place without such theatrics you need to land elsewhere.  If someone falls out make sure to have fun with what comes about concerning PIC duty etc.



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Msg ID: 2781580 NVG scene +0/-4     
Author:Hey relax
5/6/2023 9:11:11 PM

Reply to: 2781556

It's a well trained and rehearsed event. Becomes a non event. When there's any heavy maintenance we test got it to bring it back to service. We use those flights to crew up and practice call outs etc. nice low pressure practice before the real thing. 



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Msg ID: 2781583 NVG scene +1/-1     
Author:yeah
5/6/2023 9:28:20 PM

Reply to: 2781580

practice those call outs lol



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Msg ID: 2781593 NVG scene +3/-0     
Author:huh
5/7/2023 8:05:26 AM

Reply to: 2781580

never heard of a company that allowed anybody on board for post mx flights, let alone training. 



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Msg ID: 2781612 NVG scene +2/-1     
Author:this post sounds a lot
5/7/2023 12:11:18 PM

Reply to: 2781593

like the guy that says you can build a career by hanging around waiting for mx and ferry flights to happen and having a really good attitude



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Msg ID: 2782212 NVG scene +0/-0     
Author:Troll Hunter
5/9/2023 5:42:33 PM

Reply to: 2781502

You have to be kidding?

 



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Msg ID: 2782218 NVG scene +0/-0     
Author:Not at all
5/9/2023 7:55:18 PM

Reply to: 2782212

Mate 



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Msg ID: 2782965 NVG scene +0/-0     
Author:Not
5/14/2023 9:26:52 PM

Reply to: 2782218

another rule creating Brit or Ozzie!?



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