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2780791 |
Why do some MEDCOM kids talking on a UNICOM freq think they need to answer +2/-3
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Author:every radio call made in/out of helipad?
4/25/2023 9:55:29 PM
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The "clear" you for landing on pad such and such, cut in when you are making "traffic" calls, and pretend they are controlling you.
You are a UNICOM, not a CONTROL TOWER. If I say "XRAY TRAFFIC, HAA GUY TURNING FINAL FOR THE PAD, XRAY TRAFFIC", don't answer me! You are not "traffic" and I'm not talking to you! |
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Msg ID:
2780792 |
Why do some MEDCOM kids talking on a UNICOM freq think they need to answer +7/-0
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Author:I don't know
4/25/2023 10:03:03 PM
Reply to: 2780791
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maybe they don't think you know what you're doing |
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Msg ID:
2780793 |
Why do some MEDCOM kids talking on a UNICOM freq think they need to answer +1/-0
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Author:anony
4/25/2023 10:13:28 PM
Reply to: 2780792
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Take it as a chance to educate them. If its an ER tech that is working a portable/mobile right at the door of the helipad, then a simple conversation after you shut down can take care of that. If its down at the security desk buried deep in the hospital then there is a little more effort involved but most of these folks just dont know any better. No one has told them what to do or not to do so they just go with whatever they got, cant blame them for not knowing something that was never taught to them.
Some places the hospital put together guideline (without the help of an aviation rep) on the helipads procedures and they will say they want them to coordinate the landings because hospitals just love written procedures, that more effort but even then talking to person holding the radio can clear things up. |
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Msg ID:
2780798 |
Why do some MEDCOM kids talking on a UNICOM freq think they need to answer +6/-0
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Author:not worth getting upset about
4/25/2023 10:58:03 PM
Reply to: 2780793
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I wouldn't give it a second thought. I sure as hell wouldn't go talking to anybody about. If you're that worked up, talk to your lead or area manager about it. The only place I have ever landed that had aviation freq's was Vanderbilt in Nashville and you were required to get cleared to land and take off. Maybe they were overstepping but if you wanted to continue bringing patients there, you played by their rules. |
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Msg ID:
2780858 |
Are you one of those guys who puts red lights in his front bumper running (NT) +0/-0
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Author:lights? Or green in the turn signals?
4/26/2023 12:11:16 PM
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Msg ID:
2780887 |
Are you one of those guys who puts red lights in his front bumper running +0/-0
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Author:yeah
4/26/2023 4:30:59 PM
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it's great! |
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Msg ID:
2780835 |
47 CFR Part 87 It's so "almost nothing" they made a +1/-0
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Author:Federal Regulations about it!
4/26/2023 9:48:28 AM
Reply to: 2780806
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(a) An aeronautical advisory station (unicom) must provide service to any aircraft station upon request and without discrimination. A unicom must provide impartial information concerning available ground services.
(b)
(1) Unicom transmissions must be limited to the necessities of safe and expeditious operation of aircraft such as condition of runways, types of fuel available, wind conditions, weather information, dispatching, or other necessary information. At any airport at which a control tower, control tower remote communications outlet station (RCO) or FAA flight service station is located, unicoms must not transmit information pertaining to the conditions of runways, wind conditions, or weather information during the hours of operation of the control tower, RCO or FAA service station.
(2) On a secondary basis, unicoms may transmit communications which pertain to the efficient portal-to-portal transit of an aircraft, such as requests for ground transportation, food or lodging.
(3) Communications between unicoms and air carrier must be limited to the necessities of safety of life and property.
(4) Unicoms may communicate with aeronautical utility stations and ground vehicles concerning runway conditions and safety hazards on the airport when neither a control tower nor FAA flight service station is in operation.
(c) Unicoms must not be used for air traffic control (ATC) purposes other than to relay ATC information between the pilot and air traffic controller. Relaying of ATC information is limited to the following:
(1) Revisions of proposed departure time;
(2) Takeoff, arrival or flight plan cancellation time;
(3) ATC clearances, provided a letter of agreement is obtained from the FAA by the licensee of the unicom.
[53 FR 28940, Aug. 1, 1988, as amended at 55 FR 30464, July 26, 1990]
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Msg ID:
2780830 |
Yeah, they are going to deny incoming patients because some kid (NT) +0/-0
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Author:acting the air traffic controller?
4/26/2023 9:29:23 AM
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Msg ID:
2780828 |
No one has told them what to do or not to do.... +0/-0
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Author:Then,
4/26/2023 9:27:16 AM
Reply to: 2780793
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they shouldn't be talking of an FCC licensed aviation UNICOM radio! |
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Msg ID:
2780831 |
No one has told them what to do or not to do.... +0/-0
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Author:I think you should
4/26/2023 9:33:46 AM
Reply to: 2780828
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take a deep breath and think about getting a hobby |
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Msg ID:
2780836 |
Aviation safety is my hobby! (NT) +0/-0
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Author:What's your hobby?
4/26/2023 10:01:38 AM
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Msg ID:
2780837 |
Aviation safety is my hobby! +0/-0
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Author:you definitely sound like a
4/26/2023 10:04:33 AM
Reply to: 2780836
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weekend warrior hobbyist. |
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Msg ID:
2780839 |
you sound like a complacent pilot pretending to be professional (NT) +0/-0
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Author:and crying for a pay raise??
4/26/2023 10:24:44 AM
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Msg ID:
2780804 |
Something else +3/-1
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Author:to consider...
4/25/2023 11:21:18 PM
Reply to: 2780791
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..is that these hospital helipads are private helipads, and they can make some rules for those who land there if they so choose. Any procedures that they developed likely resulted from either someone being a d!ck, or being unsafe. (Or both.)
The person on the other end of the radio probably hasn't been trained in aviation procedures or terminology, and they're just doing the best that they can. Give 'em a break. |
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Msg ID:
2780840 |
Private or otherwise, UNICOM is a license and regulated. +0/-1
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Author:IF he hasn't been trained properly,
4/26/2023 10:28:03 AM
Reply to: 2780804
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he shouldn't be on the radio!
They aren't just on the radio, that's their job! Do it correctly, and quit being more that you are licensed to be! |
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Msg ID:
2780842 |
Private or otherwise, UNICOM is a license and regulated. +1/-1
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Author:lol
4/26/2023 10:38:22 AM
Reply to: 2780840
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maga boy screaming into his pillow over this one |
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Msg ID:
2780864 |
You should ask Biden to appoint you FAA Director +0/-0
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Author:You apparently are qualified
4/26/2023 1:12:45 PM
Reply to: 2780842
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Ignorance wins with that party! |
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Msg ID:
2780818 |
Why do some MEDCOM kids talking on a UNICOM freq think they need to answer +1/-0
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Author:Lighten up Francis
4/26/2023 7:33:32 AM
Reply to: 2780791
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Yeah, you're the guy who almost landed on a parked aircraft at 2am.
Well done! |
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Msg ID:
2780826 |
Why do some MEDCOM kids talking on a UNICOM freq think they need to answer +1/-0
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Author:you're not supposed to end
4/26/2023 9:13:52 AM
Reply to: 2780791
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your call with "traffic" just the airport or heliport name. see, I told you you don't know what you're doing. |
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Msg ID:
2780832 |
Why do some MEDCOM kids talking on a UNICOM freq think they need to answer +1/-0
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Author:just for fun
4/26/2023 9:38:13 AM
Reply to: 2780826
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I'm going over to my local aiport and repeat "any other traffic please advise" for a few hours. |
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Msg ID:
2780846 |
I take it you got that from the "recommended" procedures? +0/-2
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Author:Examples?
4/26/2023 10:53:41 AM
Reply to: 2780826
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Yet, the example shows TRAFFIC as those being called at the beginning of the radio call. I'm talking to TRAFFIC (other animate objects/pilot's) not the AIRPORT (an animate object).
Self-announce transmissions may include aircraft type to aid in identification and detection, but should not use paint schemes or color descriptions to replace the use of the aircraft call sign. For example, “MIDWEST TRAFFIC, TWIN COMMANDER FIVE ONE ROMEO FOXTROT TEN MILES NORTHEAST” or “MIDWEST TRAFFIC, FIVE ONE ROMEO FOXTROT TWIN COMMANDER TEN MILES NORTHEAST, ...
Notice their example of a proper radio call uses "traffic" at the beginning, and doesn't even end with "Midwest".
These are RECOMMENDED procedures! Not regulations governing a radio station license.
My radio call is a self-announce so that other TRAFFIC can hear me, not to the kid behind the desk who feels compelled to jump on the radio and answer me blocking the radio from possibly other traffic. I'm not taking to him, he doesn't need to respond or control me! |
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Msg ID:
2780847 |
Why do some MEDCOM kids talking on a UNICOM freq think they need to answer +2/-1
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Author:New IP Guy
4/26/2023 10:54:30 AM
Reply to: 2780791
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That was me. I have a RTOP. I looked in the direction the wind sock was pointing, and there was no "TRAFFIC".
Out of reflex I looked in the direction of the open side of the windsock, and there you were. It was at that moment I realized that you were a cowboy, or just incompetent, so I had to say something. Do you remember that just then I answered you "EAT THE CARROT" ? Where were you the day they taught traffic patterns? |
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Msg ID:
2780900 |
Why do some MEDCOM kids talking on a UNICOM freq think they need to answer +0/-0
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Author:thoughts and prayers for the op
4/26/2023 9:02:08 PM
Reply to: 2780847
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sorry you have to endure this |
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Msg ID:
2780902 |
Why do some MEDCOM kids talking on a UNICOM freq think they need to answer +2/-0
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Author:Such
4/26/2023 9:25:29 PM
Reply to: 2780791
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thin skin. Let it go, means nothing. |
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Msg ID:
2780907 |
Why do some MEDCOM kids talking on a UNICOM freq think they need to answer +0/-1
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Author:cheap
4/26/2023 10:37:59 PM
Reply to: 2780791
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Med Trans 003, LAST CALL, switching to Ft. Worth center. |
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Msg ID:
2780919 |
Why do some MEDCOM kids talking on a UNICOM freq think they need to answer +1/-3
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Author:Because
4/27/2023 10:13:47 AM
Reply to: 2780791
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they have that millenial childhood disease called cancel culture, er, cancel disease. You might gently point out to them that if they clear you to land, not 'land at your own risk', they may legally be taking on some inferred responsibility and liability that might turn to bite them under litigation should there be an incident or accident following such 'clearance'.
Assuming authority with no regulatory justification can become awkward in many ways. |
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Msg ID:
2780921 |
Why do some MEDCOM kids talking on a UNICOM freq think they need to answer +1/-1
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Author:you idiots
4/27/2023 10:41:41 AM
Reply to: 2780919
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make me laugh |
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Msg ID:
2780951 |
Why do some MEDCOM kids talking on a UNICOM freq think they need to answer +0/-1
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Author:Rip V. Winkle
4/27/2023 2:53:09 PM
Reply to: 2780921
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Its called "lawyering" !
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Msg ID:
2781124 |
Why do some MEDCOM kids talking on a UNICOM freq think they need to answer +2/-0
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Author:Yes
4/29/2023 1:47:43 PM
Reply to: 2780951
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Correct. And if that m ss is to be avoided just ignore your thin skinned response to fake authority. Just do your job being nice to all as much as possible. Trying to control them is no better than they trying to control you. |
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Msg ID:
2780982 |
Why do some MEDCOM kids talking on a UNICOM freq think they need to answer +1/-0
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Author:Who are you talking to
4/27/2023 8:41:27 PM
Reply to: 2780791
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Why are you spouting your anger on here? Try correcting the action is a professional way. However coming on here to fix it shows you level of professionalism. |
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