| Msg ID: 2780738 |
EC130 accident in Alabama +0/-0
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| Author:just musing
4/25/2023 3:15:52 PM |
So the helicopter was hovering and suddenly pitched forward and flew sideways briefly and crashed. What would be the first reason you would think of to cause this? |
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| Msg ID: 2780741 |
EC130 accident in Alabama +7/-1
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| Author:XRMH
4/25/2023 3:24:12 PM Reply to: 2780738 |
two most probable: Pilot incapacitation of some kind Hydraulic issue |
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| Msg ID: 2780742 |
EC130 accident in Alabama +0/-4
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| Author:from the report
4/25/2023 3:32:02 PM Reply to: 2780741 |
since the 130 does not have hydraulic pedals, I assume they mean swash plate instead of fenestron.
The hydraulic connections of each Fenestron servo remained intact; no leaks were noted to the connected servos. Both hydraulic reservoirs were near empty and the main hose from the reservoir was damaged with thermal damage from the post-impact fire. The forward driven hydraulic pump belt was partially consumed by the post-impact fire and no longer attached to the pump. |
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| Msg ID: 2780801 |
EC130 accident in Alabama +1/-0
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| Author:XRMH
4/25/2023 11:06:34 PM Reply to: 2780742 |
I'm not at all familar with an EC-130, but I was actually thinking more along the lines of a servo slide valve seizure or servo malfunction of some sort. |
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| Msg ID: 2780920 |
Servo malfunction possibility? +1/-0
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| Author:An Army Guy
4/27/2023 10:40:50 AM Reply to: 2780801 |
I remember when the TH-67's (206B3) at Rucker(Novosel) were having cyclic hydraulic anomalies. One IP at Cairns lost an arm (they were taxiing at the time and aircraft rolled and he said he fought the controls but couldn't correct in time) and there were at least 2 more occurrences I personally heard about (another at Cairns and one at Shell as Shell had a few since they were divesting the 58A/C's). Also, how about this? Any kind of Fiji NTSB report for it? Pretty significant noseover. https://youtu.be/hvbg0QfKdH0 |
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| Msg ID: 2780994 |
Servo malfunction possibility? +1/-0
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| Author:XRMH
4/27/2023 11:25:56 PM Reply to: 2780920 |
Slide Valve Seizure / Actuator Malfunction (Bell). More or less the same thing. Something, usually FOD of some kind in the hydraulic fluid, jams the port open and fluid continues to flow, pushing the servo/actuator to full travel. As I recall, it's like 400 lbs of pressure in the B407. Unless you can curl 400 lbs, you're not stopping it. All you can do it get the hydraulics off ASAP! I had a slide valve seizure in an AS350 once. It was slow moving, but nothing I could do was stopping the cyclic from slowly moving right and forward. Hydraulics off and landed ASAP. Explained what had happened and the engineers drained and flushed the entire system, then replaced the fluid and filter. I flew that ship for another year and it never repeated. |
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| Msg ID: 2780751 |
EC130 accident in Alabama (NT) +6/-6
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| Author:Clot shot
4/25/2023 4:23:37 PM Reply to: 2780738 |
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| Msg ID: 2780757 |
EC130 accident in Alabama +2/-0
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| Author:Collective lock
4/25/2023 5:09:33 PM Reply to: 2780738 |
Ever had the collective lock accidentially come off an A-star/EC130... That thing picks up quite quick. |
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| Msg ID: 2780773 |
EC130 accident in Alabama +2/-0
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| Author:Bell Boy
4/25/2023 7:59:52 PM Reply to: 2780757 |
Makes you wonder why they got rid of their B407's after 15 reliable years. |
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| Msg ID: 2780788 |
Probably because the hospital told them to, showing them (NT) +2/-2
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| Author:who's really in charge of tha operation
4/25/2023 9:43:37 PM Reply to: 2780773 |
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| Msg ID: 2780932 |
Probably because the hospital told them to, showing them +0/-1
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| Author:Not in this case
4/27/2023 12:56:10 PM Reply to: 2780788 |
It was an ignorant AMC decision like so many others they make. Hospital wasn't involved this was a community based program. |
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| Msg ID: 2780800 |
EC130 accident in Alabama +0/-2
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| Author:X CWO
4/25/2023 11:03:48 PM Reply to: 2780757 |
Collective lock engaged at a hover??? |
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| Msg ID: 2780807 |
EC130 accident in Alabama +3/-4
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| Author:Well
4/26/2023 1:11:39 AM Reply to: 2780738 |
Slumping over the controls would cause these motions. Let's see what the cockpit camera shows. Why where they in that field to begin with if they wernt on scene? according to flight track the pilot made drastic turn and went to that field. Maybe he knew he wasn't gonna make it, went to land, and didnt quite get there and slumped over. Just like the guy in the gulf recently who did the same. |
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| Msg ID: 2780882 |
EC130 accident in Alabama +0/-1
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| Author:Retired
4/26/2023 3:10:40 PM Reply to: 2780807 |
I wouldn't put it past the FBI to inform NTSB they can't access or publish vaccine records regardless if he "slumped over". |
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| Msg ID: 2780883 |
EC130 accident in Alabama +5/-4
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| Author:of course you wouldn't
4/26/2023 3:15:14 PM Reply to: 2780882 |
because your head is ate up with maga brain worms |
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| Msg ID: 2780888 |
i 'll driNK too dat (NT) +2/-3
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| Author:Gordo
4/26/2023 4:31:05 PM Reply to: 2780883 |
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| Msg ID: 2780895 |
EC130 accident in Alabama +1/-2
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| Author:Yea?
4/26/2023 7:16:52 PM Reply to: 2780883 |
And what would you say if it comes out true that the vaccine caused this accident? What groubd would you stand on then? |
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| Msg ID: 2780897 |
EC130 accident in Alabama +0/-3
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| Author:I would say
4/26/2023 7:55:19 PM Reply to: 2780895 |
the FBI didn't do a very good job covering it up yeehaw |
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| Msg ID: 2781001 |
EC130 accident in Alabama +0/-1
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| Author:EC130GUY
4/28/2023 4:28:22 AM Reply to: 2780738 |
I'm not familiar with the EC130 "pitch and roll SAS" like the one indicated in the NTSB report, but maybe could be a factor?? |
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