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Msg ID: 2780629 NTSB Preliminary on Alabama crash +1/-0     
Author:Anonymous
4/24/2023 12:02:30 PM

 

 

https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/GenerateNewestReport/106990/pdf

 



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Msg ID: 2780630 NTSB Preliminary on Alabama crash +4/-0     
Author:Pretty detailed but
4/24/2023 12:07:14 PM

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no answers. Maybe the camera or the survivor will tell the story.



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Msg ID: 2780631 NTSB Preliminary on Alabama crash +15/-2     
Author:BigT
4/24/2023 12:36:22 PM

Reply to: 2780630

No, there are guys on here who will figure it out in minutes



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Msg ID: 2780644 NTSB Preliminary on Alabama crash +0/-0     
Author:Yahoo
4/24/2023 3:59:00 PM

Reply to: 2780631

Pretty sure they folks here had it figured out in the original thread



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Msg ID: 2780633 NTSB Preliminary on Alabama crash +0/-1     
Author:Anonymous
4/24/2023 12:55:56 PM

Reply to: 2780630

Do the lawyers get a copy of the video before the final report is published ?



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Msg ID: 2780646 NTSB Preliminary on Alabama crash +2/-0     
Author:you'll get nothing from the survivor
4/24/2023 4:01:25 PM

Reply to: 2780633

Lawyer up, shut up, get paid.



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Msg ID: 2780647 NTSB Preliminary on Alabama crash +0/-0     
Author:they will get paid
4/24/2023 4:02:36 PM

Reply to: 2780646

either way



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Msg ID: 2780656 Is the union a party to the investigation?? (NT) +0/-2     
Author:Anonymous
4/24/2023 5:49:54 PM

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Msg ID: 2780660 Is the union a party to the investigation??  +0/-0     
Author:Lol
4/24/2023 6:42:15 PM

Reply to: 2780656

No 



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Msg ID: 2780663 Is the union a party to the investigation??  +0/-2     
Author:Unionmember
4/24/2023 6:59:17 PM

Reply to: 2780660

I believe the union has the right to be a party to the investigation. whether it chooses to is the question. 



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Msg ID: 2780664 Is the union a party to the investigation??  +2/-0     
Author:Oh
4/24/2023 7:00:52 PM

Reply to: 2780663

You believe?



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Msg ID: 2780672 So, OPEIU really isn't anything like ALPA then, eh? +0/-3     
Author:(they'd be party to the investigation)
4/24/2023 8:24:12 PM

Reply to: 2780660

ABSOLUTELY!



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Msg ID: 2780683 So, OPEIU really isn't anything like ALPA then, eh? +1/-1     
Author:say wut
4/24/2023 10:17:14 PM

Reply to: 2780672

that seems very insignicant like not even worth mentioning insignificant bro



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Msg ID: 2780713 Your HAA job is not really like the airlines 121 world then huh? (NT) +1/-1     
Author:Didn’t think so
4/25/2023 10:10:58 AM

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Msg ID: 2780733 Unions are all for the same purpose under the same RLA (NT) +0/-0     
Author:all working under same 49 CFR 830!
4/25/2023 2:33:18 PM

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Msg ID: 2780735 Your HAA job is not really like the airlines 121 world then huh? +0/-0     
Author:say wut
4/25/2023 2:46:06 PM

Reply to: 2780713

so the opeiu is not like the alpa and flying a helicopter is not like being an airline pilot and this is really important! hah!



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Msg ID: 2780694 Is the union a party to the investigation??  +2/-1     
Author:What
4/25/2023 6:40:18 AM

Reply to: 2780656

a stupid question!!  W T F does the union have to do W/a crash investigation in any way/shape/or form?!?! What an @ $ $ 🤡🤢🤮



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Msg ID: 2780698 Is the union a party to the investigation??  +4/-2     
Author:emojis are cool
4/25/2023 7:06:57 AM

Reply to: 2780694

if you're a 10 year old girl 



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Msg ID: 2780699 Is the union a party to the investigation??  +1/-1     
Author:And
4/25/2023 7:14:37 AM

Reply to: 2780698

you would know that because you're drag queen hanging around them??🤔🚁



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Msg ID: 2780700 Is the union a party to the investigation??  +1/-0     
Author:so you agree then
4/25/2023 7:18:57 AM

Reply to: 2780699

they are for girls 



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Msg ID: 2780702 Well, .....  +3/-0     
Author:Anonymous
4/25/2023 7:37:59 AM

Reply to: 2780694
See:  49 CFR § 831.11 - Parties to the investigation.
 
 
 
 
 
 

NTSB Go Team

​​​At the core of NTSB investigations is the "Go Team," consisting of technical experts needed to solve complex transportation safety problems. Specialists across the agency have a rotational duty assignment to respond as quickly as possible to the scene of the accident. Go Teams travel by commercial airliner or government aircraft depending on circumstances and availability.

During their time on the duty rotation, members must be reachable 24 hours a day. Most Go Team members do not have a suitcase pre-packed because there's no way of knowing whether the accident scene will be in Florida or Alaska, but they do have tools of their trade and necessary safety equipment such as hard hats, goggles, steel toed shoes.

Go ​Team Structure

An Investigator-in-Charge (IIC), a senior investigator with years of NTSB and industry experience, leads the Go Team. Each investigator on the team is a specialist responsible for a clearly defined portion of the accident investigation. Here are some examples of aviation specialty areas:

  • Operations: The history of the accident flight and crewmembers' duties for as many days before the crash as appears relevant.
  • Structures: Documentation of the airframe wreckage and the accident scene, including calculation of impact angles to help determine the plane's pre-impact course and attitude.
  • Powerplants: Examination of engines (and propellers) and engine accessories.
  • Systems: Study of components of the plane's hydraulic, electrical, pneumatic and associated systems, together with instruments and elements of the flight control system.
  • Air Traffic Control: Reconstruction and review of air traffic control services provided, to include acquisition of pertinent flight track surveillance information (i.e., radar, ADS-B, etc.) and controller-pilot communications.​
  • Weather: Gathering of all pertinent weather data from the National Weather Service, and sometimes from local TV stations, for a broad area around the accident scene.
  • Human Performance: Study of crew performance and all before-the-accident factors that might be involved in human error, including fatigue, medication, alcohol. Drugs, medical histories, training, workload, equipment design and work environment.
  • Survival Factors: Documentation of impact forces and injuries, evacuation, community emergency planning and all crash-fire-rescue efforts.

Major launches also include a:

    • Board member, who acts as official spokesperson;
    • A public affairs officer, who facilitates media briefings and responds to press inquiries; and
    • A transportation disaster assistant specialist to fulfill the Board's responsibilities under the Aviation Disaster Family Assistance Act of 1996 and the Rail Passenger Disaster Family Assistance Act of 2008. See Disaster Assistance for details.

Working Groups

Under direction of the IIC, each NTSB investigator heads a working group in one area of expertise. The groups are staffed by representatives of the "parties" to the investigation (see The Party System​).

For an aviation accident, parties generally include the Federal Aviation Administration, the airline, the pilots' and flight attendants' unions, airframe and engine manufacturers, and the like. Flight data recorder and cockpit voice recorder teams assemble at NTSB headquarters. In surface accident investigations, there are fewer working groups, but the team technique is the same. Locomotive engineers, signal system specialists and track engineers head working groups at railroad accidents. The specialists at a highway crash include a truck or bus mechanical expert and a highway engineer. The NTSB’s weather, human performance and survival factors specialists respond to accidents of all kinds.

The individual working groups remain, if necessary, at the accident scene. This varies from a few days to several weeks. Some then move on. For example, in aviation, Powerplants would travel to an engine teardown at a manufacturer or overhaul facility; Systems to an instrument manufacturer's plant; Operations to the airline's training base. Their work continues at Washington headquarters, forming the basis for later analysis and drafting of a proposed report.



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Msg ID: 2780705 Well, .....  +1/-0     
Author:OPEIU wouldn't need AMC permission
4/25/2023 8:09:32 AM

Reply to: 2780702

to be a party to an investigation. 



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Msg ID: 2780712 109 has trained NTSB Crash Investigators on staff and on call (NT) +0/-0     
Author:Are you volunteering?
4/25/2023 10:09:52 AM

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Msg ID: 2780720 So, why aren't they party to the investigation? (NT) +2/-0     
Author:Since at least 2011?
4/25/2023 11:20:54 AM

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Msg ID: 2780722 Correction, since 2015?? (NT) +0/-0     
Author:Anonymous
4/25/2023 11:27:49 AM

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Msg ID: 2780721 109 has trained NTSB Crash Investigators on staff and on call +2/-0     
Author:Retired
4/25/2023 11:22:06 AM

Reply to: 2780712

https://www.transportation.gov/transportation-safety-institute

NTSB was very inclusive in sharing with the "base pilots" when we had a mishap. 



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