Msg ID:
2780050 |
Helicopter Instrument Pilots +5/-2
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Author:Currency
4/18/2023 10:03:17 AM
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HAA pilot here with Comm/IFR ratings who has worked a VFR base for 15 years. New company taking over the contract offering the pilots jobs with the expectation we can be IFR at 6 months, in a new airframe. Looking at the numbers I don't see how we can do IFR flight due to alternate/fuel requirements etc but thats another story.
I hear that HAA companies expect pilots reporting for IFR training to be ready to go and just train to currency. The guys at our base are not current. Two civilian guys have little to no actual and the other two of us haven't flown since our army days 15+ years ago in a two pilot ship.
We are willing to get on the IFR boat but don't feel the system with the 'minimum' training' will work for us.
Anyone else been through this? |
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Msg ID:
2780053 |
Helicopter Instrument Pilots +8/-0
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Author:find out what the new company expects
4/18/2023 10:10:08 AM
Reply to: 2780050
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but they are not just going to expect you to pass a check ride in six months. fly IFR every time you can VFR including getting clearances and flying approaches before training. The training will go much smoother. |
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Msg ID:
2780070 |
Helicopter Instrument Pilots +0/-0
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Author:If it's at PHI
4/18/2023 2:05:33 PM
Reply to: 2780053
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(and why are we afraid to say which company it is?) they have (or had) a mentorship program. Only problem is that nobody at your base will be able to mentor you as you're all in the same boat. If you don't come with IFR experience or are prepared for the training, they will just send you home or you will likely fail the ride. Study chapter 5 (IFR) of the GOM and practice. PHI will probably let you do mentorship training at a nearby base. If it's available, by all means take advantage of it. |
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Msg ID:
2780208 |
Good advice +0/-0
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Author:But let's be real
4/19/2023 11:55:45 AM
Reply to: 2780070
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I doubt PHI is taking over a VFR base and making it IFR. And that's coming from a PHI pilot who actually somewhat likes working for them. |
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Msg ID:
2780060 |
If You're Serious +0/-1
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Author:Anonymous
4/18/2023 11:28:22 AM
Reply to: 2780050
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If you're for real and would like some pro bono advice, email me at kpk4@hotmail.com
Not trying to sell anything, just have some time on my hands and don't mind giving advice on this subject.
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Msg ID:
2780069 |
Helicopter Instrument Pilots +0/-0
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Author:same boat, kind of
4/18/2023 1:55:34 PM
Reply to: 2780050
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I've been vfr only since retiring from the military many years ago. I just went through SPIFR training for one of the big 3 letter abbreviation companies because my base is "getting an IFR aircraft". I was apprehensive going in, like you, but the training was good enough that I left there feeling confident that I could safely operate in the IFR environment. The training was not perfect, but it was adequate. |
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Msg ID:
2780081 |
Helicopter Instrument Pilots +2/-0
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Author:If
4/18/2023 3:45:54 PM
Reply to: 2780050
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your company won't train to proficiency you might want to look elsewhere. Suchks but SPIFR is nothing to sneeze at, especially in mountainous terrain or high density airspace. Using a computer based simulator, airplane or helicopter, will help get your mind in the game. Don't fool around with ice or fuel. |
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Msg ID:
2780088 |
Helicopter Instrument Pilots +0/-0
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Author:oh no
4/18/2023 4:05:29 PM
Reply to: 2780081
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not the high density airspace guy again. who said anything about not training to proficiency. yes definitely use one of them "computor based simulators". |
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Msg ID:
2780145 |
Helicopter Instrument Pilots +1/-0
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Author:Oh no
4/19/2023 5:34:25 AM
Reply to: 2780088
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not the 'English as a third language' guy!
Read "minimum training" in the OP post. |
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Msg ID:
2780086 |
Helicopter Instrument Pilots +1/-3
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Author:OG
4/18/2023 4:00:44 PM
Reply to: 2780050
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If you are a competent and precise VFR pilot you will be able to master the flight portion of IFR flight. Having flown quite a few years in the IFR world i can tell you the challange will be the mental aspects of the IFR world. Obtaining and maintaining the knowledge to safely operate IFR is never ending. When you are IMC there are many times that you just have to own the knowledge of rules and procedures.
In the VFR world you can often just kind of mush through because you generally have some time to sort things out. The IFR world is not so tolerant of mushing through. Work on understand the rules, procedures, and charts for IFR operations. Not understang an approach chart has killed many good pilots.
If others can do it safely, you can do it with the same competence. For my money IFR is the safest way to go, if you know your business. |
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Msg ID:
2780089 |
Helicopter Instrument Pilots +0/-10
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Author:no
4/18/2023 4:10:14 PM
Reply to: 2780086
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being confident in vfr flight has zero to do with ifr. ifr is all auto pilot. they have almost nothing in common. |
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Msg ID:
2780215 |
Helicopter Instrument Pilots +1/-1
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Author:Baloney
4/19/2023 1:34:39 PM
Reply to: 2780089
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Really? |
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Msg ID:
2780216 |
Helicopter Instrument Pilots +1/-1
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Author:yeah, really
4/19/2023 1:39:14 PM
Reply to: 2780215
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lots of high time pilots wash out of SPIFR training. LOTS. it's an entirely different ball game. if you disagree that IFR isn't completely different than VFR flying, it says only one thing about you: you haven't done it. |
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Msg ID:
2780241 |
Helicopter Instrument Pilots +1/-0
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Author:Jherk
4/19/2023 7:04:43 PM
Reply to: 2780216
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OVER 1000 hours SPIFR, onshore, offshore, all approaches imaginable; ur a jherk incapable of proceeding the truth! Suffer puppy! |
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Msg ID:
2780242 |
Helicopter Instrument Pilots +1/-0
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Author:Good
4/19/2023 7:06:32 PM
Reply to: 2780216
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Grief. Gawd help ya. |
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Msg ID:
2780243 |
Helicopter Instrument Pilots +1/-0
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Author:You
4/19/2023 7:07:53 PM
Reply to: 2780216
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have an imagination that is definitely not serving you well. |
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Msg ID:
2780111 |
Helicopter Instrument Pilots +1/-2
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Author:lol
4/18/2023 9:22:02 PM
Reply to: 2780086
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is it even possible to come up with a more ridiculous word salad of bullsh*t.
"If you are a competent and precise VFR pilot you will be able to master the flight portion of IFR flight. Having flown quite a few years in the IFR world i can tell you the challange will be the mental aspects of the IFR world. Obtaining and maintaining the knowledge to safely operate IFR is never ending. When you are IMC there are many times that you just have to own the knowledge of rules and procedures."
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Msg ID:
2780469 |
Helicopter Instrument Pilots +0/-0
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Author:Think
4/22/2023 9:30:41 AM
Reply to: 2780111
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for a change and contribute something positive! |
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Msg ID:
2780113 |
YouTube +2/-0
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Author:An Army Guy
4/18/2023 9:52:30 PM
Reply to: 2780050
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Dude... YouTube is your friend. Will fill lots of gaps and help grasp concepts and procedures that you may miss or not be spelled out so simply in FAR/AIM.
There's some great stuff out there now and if you have the cash for the various online courses some are absolutely amazing. |
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Msg ID:
2780179 |
Helicopter Instrument Pilots +0/-1
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Author:Back to school
4/19/2023 9:10:17 AM
Reply to: 2780050
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Find a decent CFII and go back to ground school. Get back to the knowledge level of being able to pass the ground portion of an instrument check ride prior to arriving to company training. |
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Msg ID:
2780218 |
Helicopter Instrument Pilots +0/-1
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Author:Havoc
4/19/2023 2:08:38 PM
Reply to: 2780179
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Get a FW IFR rating and fly as much as you can after your training. |
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Msg ID:
2780221 |
Helicopter Instrument Pilots +1/-1
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Author:yeah
4/19/2023 2:35:49 PM
Reply to: 2780218
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go get an airplane rating and then your instrument and then fly around after the helicopter training. brilliant |
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Msg ID:
2784087 |
Helicopter Instrument Pilots +1/-0
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Author:Get In The Books...
5/30/2023 10:34:18 PM
Reply to: 2780050
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You already have an instrument rating, so get back in the books. Buy yourself an ASA Instrument rating test prep book and look specifically at the departure, enroute, and arrival procedures in the AIM. Look at the flight planning and ATC procedures, as well.
Even though you are VFR right now, fly some approaches on the dead head legs and knock the rust off. It will come back to you.
Confidence in your knowledge and abilities will go a long way in the positive. This is nothing you haven't done before.
If you fly for a reputable company, the instructors will accept the fact you guys will be a bit out of date and will adjust their professional training accordingly.
v/r |
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