Look if we have to have them on type 1s to fight stupid fires, then why shouldnt you EMS guys have them to transport your overcharged cargo? Seems like with the camera pointed at the dash / cockpit and recording all the radio comms would be excellent for accident investigation as much as you guys love plowing Into the dirt. Guaranteed it would make the investigations a lot easier. Pilot falls asleep, Aircraft gauges go wonky, med crews ego blocking the cameras view, etc....stuff like that.

Metro has them and along with the software they record everything you do. Pilots get calls all the time asking why did your last approach exceed 300fpm rate of decent, or why did you bank >30deg over the hospital at 0128am this morning.

While intrusive to the pilot, it is a great tool for the owner and they are using their aircraft as test beds to improve the system and plan on selling it to uncle Sam, the airlines and other carriers.

Seems like you think you're immune to a catastrophe. Keep believing that you are bullet proof.

yea Sure buddy, you're absolutely right, we fly the cranes under part 135......clueless....

A FAR it's a USFS requirement. Regardless of FARS, the ems industry adopt cameras and voice recorders I guarantee they'd have more insight to these accidents. 

EMS does have this requirement implemented several years ago? 135.607 effective 4-23-2018

Aren't cameras and voice recorders in EMS aircraft?

Can choose to put whatever they want on their aircraft......my suggestion was if all EMS operators did this, they would have a better idea of what went wrong. Probably would also eliminate a lot of the flight medics and pilot conflicts as it would record all communications as well. 

You don't need a part 135 certificate to operate for the USFS.......so stick to talking about stuff you know about and not spreading misinformation...

Only if you transport personnel. other than that, don't have to have one at all. 

You can even fly human beings around for compensation and don't even need a 135 cert.

... a Part 135 certificate as required under Part 119.

https://www.faa.gov/sites/faa.gov/files/faa_migrate/interps/2018/Duncan-AFX-1_2018_Legal_Interpretation.pdf

You obviously have NO idea how USFS, Operational control, and or any fire operations are done.....so just sit back and take your FAR/AIM and stick it up your a55.

file:///C:/Users/Jim/Desktop/Aircraft%20Contracts%20(4).pdf

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Contract for services, Section B.2 (b)(1) [page 11]

And please read it aloud for all of us to hear

https://www.fs.usda.gov/sites/default/files/2022-03/Aircraft%20Contracts%20%284%29.pdf

So posting that we now know your name is Jim, and you posted a croman contract. Shame.

for all flights carrying passengers, as would be true in all contracts regardless of who got them!

... fire does not qualify for this exception!   If the operation as a whole moves people and or property (equipment) from one location to another, you need a Part 135 Certificate.

A possible exception might be if the operation is considered Public Aircraft, where the government has leased the aircraft to operate as their own.   But, there are some real sticky rules about that too.

But, yeah, you can fly people around without a Part 135 certificate, within 25 miles of the heliport and back, without landing anywhere else!

about that 25 mile rule, chief

you obviously don't unterstand part 119 

you'd really have it going on

IRIS

odd that you dummies don't know they are already installed in tons of EMS helicopters

They why are there no explanations for all you lack of skill chumps kissing the dirt?

It would prevent accidents you mouth breathing goon, but having a CVR as well as Video of panel / pic could go a long way to see accident sequence and the decisions made. 

no explanations!! lol

the point being guy just discovered CVR's. lol

They why are there no explanations for all you lack of skill chumps kissing the dirt?

OMG.....are you actually proposing a device that will document the almighty PICs foolproof decision making abilities?  Bro, they don't want to be held to a standard, have their authority questioned, or learn from someone else's poor judgement...they just want everyone to buckle up, shut up, and enjoy the ride all the way to the scene of the crash.

not one person in this thread has objected to cameras bro. most of us in ems already have cameras.

tell me some other useless information

that attitude your moment will definitely arrive.  Wish you luck, gonna need it.

They USED to be a good company. Have you idiots really realize what those cameras are used for it's not a big deal. No one monitors them until you screw up like in so many crashes that of happened that helps. Identify a lot of issues or problems if it's going on in the cockpit.

not only have the dumb dorks on here recently found out there are already cameras, they also have learned what they are used for. you will also be amazed to know about gps. google it.

Caught on camera.   Do we really want to see this ?  

https://twitter.com/i/status/1637295338917593088

public information.

but you don't not do something becaue "just in case...".

I'm not even gonna try to figure out what the hell that means lol

you brain is mush

relative risk. try google. we don't make a decision to do or not do something based on a remote eventuality, especially when it will little or no meaningful effect. your reasoning is feeble, shallow and one dimensional bro.

The minute you go over 14 the FAA shows up punches your cert and kicks you in the balls. Stop with the mis information. 

arguing:

"we don't make a decision to do or not do something based on a remote eventuality, especially when it will little or no meaningful effect."

We've made a reglatory decision to limit a pilot's duty day to 14 hrs based on a remote eventuality!

fatigue is a cause of accidents. a video is not a cause of accidents. quite simple. 

One should have been, but it wasn't even discovered and they blamed it on a BS soapbox issue!

fatigue is cumulative

they wrote regulations about what has happened in the past, not the future lol. you are really bad at this bro.

this has to do with cameras in the cockpit. I look forward to your answer. you have about six separate thought marbles rolling around in your skull bro

Truth be told we just want the cockpit cameras installed so we can see the look on your face at the exact moment you see the inverted ground racing towards your windscreen and you regret your sole decision to GO. We can also use that cockpit image at your memorial service...or to give you full credit at a future AMRM class while we attempt to explain your selfish PIC decision(s) that killed a HEMS crew and patient. Secret's out...

I wasn't inverted, the ground was!

any airplane I've ever seen.

Poopoo