Msg ID:
2771061 |
EMS Cockpit Recorders +11/-16
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Author:Why not
4/5/2023 2:16:24 AM
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Look if we have to have them on type 1s to fight stupid fires, then why shouldnt you EMS guys have them to transport your overcharged cargo? Seems like with the camera pointed at the dash / cockpit and recording all the radio comms would be excellent for accident investigation as much as you guys love plowing Into the dirt. Guaranteed it would make the investigations a lot easier. Pilot falls asleep, Aircraft gauges go wonky, med crews ego blocking the cameras view, etc....stuff like that. |
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Msg ID:
2771062 |
EMS Cockpit Recorders +0/-1
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Author:Metro has them.
4/5/2023 4:03:54 AM
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Metro has them and along with the software they record everything you do. Pilots get calls all the time asking why did your last approach exceed 300fpm rate of decent, or why did you bank >30deg over the hospital at 0128am this morning.
While intrusive to the pilot, it is a great tool for the owner and they are using their aircraft as test beds to improve the system and plan on selling it to uncle Sam, the airlines and other carriers. |
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Msg ID:
2771069 |
EMS Cockpit Recorders +0/-0
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Author:LakeLOOn
4/5/2023 8:04:37 AM
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Seems like you think you're immune to a catastrophe. Keep believing that you are bullet proof. |
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Msg ID:
2771070 |
EMS Cockpit Recorders - How about vid record (NT) +5/-0
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Author:The Medcrew in the back?
4/5/2023 8:05:03 AM
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2771082 |
EMS flies under same Part 135 regs. Which FAR are you referring to (NT) +1/-0
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Author:that you think separates you from them?
4/5/2023 10:01:57 AM
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2771084 |
EMS flies under same Part 135 regs. Which FAR are you referring to +2/-3
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Author:You have no clue
4/5/2023 10:47:39 AM
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yea Sure buddy, you're absolutely right, we fly the cranes under part 135......clueless.... |
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Msg ID:
2771092 |
so, 2hen you become civil again, what FAR are you referring to (NT) +1/-0
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Author:that sets you apart from EMS?
4/5/2023 12:16:29 PM
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2771095 |
so, 2hen you become civil again, what FAR are you referring to +1/-1
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Author:It’s not
4/5/2023 12:29:23 PM
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A FAR it's a USFS requirement. Regardless of FARS, the ems industry adopt cameras and voice recorders I guarantee they'd have more insight to these accidents. |
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2771096 |
so, 2hen you become civil again, what FAR are you referring to +0/-0
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Author:HUH
4/5/2023 12:39:39 PM
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EMS does have this requirement implemented several years ago? 135.607 effective 4-23-2018 |
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Msg ID:
2771098 |
so, 2hen you become civil again, what FAR are you referring to +0/-0
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Author:You think there
4/5/2023 12:46:22 PM
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Aren't cameras and voice recorders in EMS aircraft? |
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Msg ID:
2771099 |
first, as a contractor for USFS, you still require a Part 135 certificate. +0/-2
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Author:second, to require such device,
4/5/2023 12:51:38 PM
Reply to: 2771095
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it would need to be under Part 135 or generally under Part 91. So. that would require a NPRM process. when they came out with FAR Subpart L, they did prescribe flight data monitoring to better investigate such accidents.
FAR 135.607 to be specific. |
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Msg ID:
2771101 |
first, as a contractor for USFS, you still require a Part 135 certificate. +2/-1
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Author:The operator
4/5/2023 1:27:31 PM
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Can choose to put whatever they want on their aircraft......my suggestion was if all EMS operators did this, they would have a better idea of what went wrong. Probably would also eliminate a lot of the flight medics and pilot conflicts as it would record all communications as well. |
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Msg ID:
2771102 |
first, as a contractor for USFS, you still require a Part 135 certificate. +2/-2
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Author:No, you’re wrong
4/5/2023 1:28:48 PM
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You don't need a part 135 certificate to operate for the USFS.......so stick to talking about stuff you know about and not spreading misinformation... |
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Msg ID:
2771103 |
first, as a contractor for USFS, you still require a Part 135 certificate. +3/-0
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Author:Correct
4/5/2023 1:30:00 PM
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Only if you transport personnel. other than that, don't have to have one at all. |
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Msg ID:
2771104 |
first, as a contractor for USFS, you still require a Part 135 certificate. +1/-0
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Author:This will blow your mind
4/5/2023 1:33:10 PM
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You can even fly human beings around for compensation and don't even need a 135 cert. |
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Msg ID:
2771151 |
Actually, that is not exactly true! FAA says if you are transporting +0/-2
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Author:firefighters to a fire, you need....
4/5/2023 10:26:36 PM
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... a Part 135 certificate as required under Part 119.
https://www.faa.gov/sites/faa.gov/files/faa_migrate/interps/2018/Duncan-AFX-1_2018_Legal_Interpretation.pdf
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Msg ID:
2771156 |
Actually, that is not exactly true! FAA says if you are transporting +2/-0
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Author:Just stop….
4/5/2023 10:40:48 PM
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You obviously have NO idea how USFS, Operational control, and or any fire operations are done.....so just sit back and take your FAR/AIM and stick it up your a55. |
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Msg ID:
2771176 |
Well, you obviously have NO idea how HAA workss (NT) +1/-0
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Author:so, in that case, we're even!
4/6/2023 8:53:43 AM
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Msg ID:
2771182 |
Question is, do YOU have any idea how USFS ops are done? +0/-0
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Author:Read this:
4/6/2023 9:54:53 AM
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file:///C:/Users/Jim/Desktop/Aircraft%20Contracts%20(4).pdf
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Contract for services, Section B.2 (b)(1) [page 11]
And please read it aloud for all of us to hear |
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Msg ID:
2771252 |
Question is, do YOU have any idea how USFS ops are done? +0/-0
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Author:Jim
4/6/2023 6:31:29 PM
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So posting that we now know your name is Jim, and you posted a croman contract. Shame. |
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Msg ID:
2771272 |
and we also know that you need to be a Part 135 certificate holder +0/-0
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Author:and operate under Part 135
4/6/2023 10:15:50 PM
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for all flights carrying passengers, as would be true in all contracts regardless of who got them! |
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Msg ID:
2771181 |
Well, yes you can, as has been determined for a very long time, but +0/-0
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Author:transporting firefighters to/from a....
4/6/2023 9:38:42 AM
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... fire does not qualify for this exception! If the operation as a whole moves people and or property (equipment) from one location to another, you need a Part 135 Certificate.
A possible exception might be if the operation is considered Public Aircraft, where the government has leased the aircraft to operate as their own. But, there are some real sticky rules about that too.
But, yeah, you can fly people around without a Part 135 certificate, within 25 miles of the heliport and back, without landing anywhere else! |
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Msg ID:
2771259 |
Well, yes you can, as has been determined for a very long time, but +0/-0
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Author:please tell us more
4/6/2023 7:24:38 PM
Reply to: 2771181
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about that 25 mile rule, chief |
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Msg ID:
2771284 |
I can lead you to it, but I can't make you read it! (NT) +0/-0
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Author: FAR 119.1(e)(7)
4/7/2023 3:16:44 AM
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Msg ID:
2771285 |
And, FAR 91.147(a) (NT) +0/-0
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Author:Anonymous
4/7/2023 3:32:56 AM
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Msg ID:
2771295 |
I can lead you to it, but I can't make you read it! +0/-0
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Author:the implication is
4/7/2023 7:51:29 AM
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you obviously don't unterstand part 119 |
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Msg ID:
2771300 |
know it enough to show you what you were asking for! +0/-0
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Author:you need a 135 certificate to fly pax!
4/7/2023 9:27:34 AM
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beyond 25 miles or to land somewhere other than where you took off; or a letter of authorization from the FSDO approving the request sent a minimum of 72 hours prior! |
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Msg ID:
2771309 |
know it enough to show you what you were asking for! +0/-0
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Author:if only you were a pilot
4/7/2023 10:16:22 AM
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you'd really have it going on |
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Msg ID:
2771111 |
EMS Cockpit Recorders +1/-1
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Author:already available
4/5/2023 3:02:17 PM
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IRIS |
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Msg ID:
2771113 |
EMS Cockpit Recorders +5/-1
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Author:I get around
4/5/2023 3:17:36 PM
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odd that you dummies don't know they are already installed in tons of EMS helicopters |
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Msg ID:
2771114 |
EMS Cockpit Recorders +0/-2
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Author:Really?
4/5/2023 3:23:23 PM
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They why are there no explanations for all you lack of skill chumps kissing the dirt? |
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Msg ID:
2771119 |
EMS Cockpit Recorders +1/-0
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Author:say wut
4/5/2023 4:05:16 PM
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have there been some EMS accidents you don’t know what happened. |
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Msg ID:
2771124 |
EMS Cockpit Recorders +0/-0
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Author:the why
4/5/2023 4:37:56 PM
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because cvr’s aren’t a magic cure that prevents accidents. this your first day bro? |
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Msg ID:
2771127 |
EMS Cockpit Recorders +0/-1
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Author:No one siad
4/5/2023 5:01:03 PM
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It would prevent accidents you mouth breathing goon, but having a CVR as well as Video of panel / pic could go a long way to see accident sequence and the decisions made. |
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Msg ID:
2771128 |
EMS Cockpit Recorders +0/-0
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Author:why are there
4/5/2023 6:14:27 PM
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no explanations!! lol |
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Msg ID:
2771135 |
EMS Cockpit Recorders +0/-0
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Author:point being
4/5/2023 7:05:00 PM
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the point being guy just discovered CVR's. lol |
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Msg ID:
2771116 |
EMS Cockpit Recorders +1/-6
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Author:Really?
4/5/2023 3:32:07 PM
Reply to: 2771113
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They why are there no explanations for all you lack of skill chumps kissing the dirt? |
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Msg ID:
2771133 |
EMS Cockpit Recorders +0/-3
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Author:been there, done that
4/5/2023 6:49:18 PM
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OMG.....are you actually proposing a device that will document the almighty PICs foolproof decision making abilities? Bro, they don't want to be held to a standard, have their authority questioned, or learn from someone else's poor judgement...they just want everyone to buckle up, shut up, and enjoy the ride all the way to the scene of the crash. |
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Msg ID:
2771134 |
EMS Cockpit Recorders +0/-0
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Author:uh
4/5/2023 6:56:13 PM
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not one person in this thread has objected to cameras bro. most of us in ems already have cameras. |
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Msg ID:
2771188 |
ALPA opposes them! (NT) +0/-0
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Author:Anonymous
4/6/2023 10:25:41 AM
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Msg ID:
2771189 |
ALPA opposes them! +0/-0
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Author:yeah well
4/6/2023 10:33:36 AM
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tell me some other useless information |
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Msg ID:
2771139 |
EMS Cockpit Recorders +0/-2
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Author:With
4/5/2023 8:32:58 PM
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that attitude your moment will definitely arrive. Wish you luck, gonna need it. |
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Msg ID:
2771149 |
PHI AMG Has had them for years. +0/-4
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Author:But then again
4/5/2023 10:22:00 PM
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They USED to be a good company. Have you idiots really realize what those cameras are used for it's not a big deal. No one monitors them until you screw up like in so many crashes that of happened that helps. Identify a lot of issues or problems if it's going on in the cockpit. |
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Msg ID:
2771155 |
PHI AMG Has had them for years. +0/-1
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Author:interesting
4/5/2023 10:39:10 PM
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not only have the dumb dorks on here recently found out there are already cameras, they also have learned what they are used for. you will also be amazed to know about gps. google it. |
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Msg ID:
2771187 |
FOQA / LOSA! (NT) +0/-0
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Author:Anonymous
4/6/2023 10:24:45 AM
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Msg ID:
2771196 |
FOQA / LOSA! +0/-1
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Author:Died suddenly
4/6/2023 11:07:48 AM
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Caught on camera. Do we really want to see this ?
https://twitter.com/i/status/1637295338917593088 |
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Msg ID:
2771200 |
and that is the biggest reason camera's in the cockpit are (NT) +0/-0
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Author:opposed. subject to FOIA requests
4/6/2023 11:32:22 AM
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Msg ID:
2771202 |
FOQA / LOSA! +0/-1
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Author:the camera footage is not
4/6/2023 11:48:07 AM
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public information. |
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Msg ID:
2771205 |
Until it is! (kind of like how that IIMC vid got aroudn) (NT) +0/-0
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Author:Leaky Toilet
4/6/2023 12:09:29 PM
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Msg ID:
2771211 |
Until it is! (kind of like how that IIMC vid got aroudn) +0/-0
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Author:anything can and does get leaked
4/6/2023 12:24:32 PM
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but you don't not do something becaue "just in case...". |
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Msg ID:
2771212 |
Sure you do! That's why there is a 14 hr duty limit (NT) +0/-0
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Author:It is just in case situations!
4/6/2023 12:27:50 PM
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Msg ID:
2771219 |
Sure you do! That's why there is a 14 hr duty limit +0/-0
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Author:say wut
4/6/2023 1:07:11 PM
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I'm not even gonna try to figure out what the hell that means lol |
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Msg ID:
2771221 |
IOW's in spite if your contention they don't do things based on +0/-0
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Author:that might occur if.... they wrote many
4/6/2023 1:38:20 PM
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regulations to prevent what might occur in the future, such as a 14-hour duty limit. |
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Msg ID:
2771223 |
IOW's in spite if your contention they don't do things based on +0/-0
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Author:uh dude
4/6/2023 1:46:28 PM
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you brain is mush |
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Msg ID:
2771225 |
You don't work over 14-hrs because something might happen +0/-0
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Author:(your premise not to oppose cameras)
4/6/2023 2:05:48 PM
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it's the same premise. There might be an accident, there might be a leak. On the first, you against something for fear something might happen after 14-hours of duty; on the second, you're asking for something despot it might happen.
you reasons are logically opposite. for the same premise. |
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Msg ID:
2771228 |
You don't work over 14-hrs because something might happen +0/-0
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Author:you have no concept of
4/6/2023 2:31:55 PM
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relative risk. try google. we don't make a decision to do or not do something based on a remote eventuality, especially when it will little or no meaningful effect. your reasoning is feeble, shallow and one dimensional bro. |
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Msg ID:
2771232 |
You can absolutely go beyond 14 hours duty time. Feds agree (NT) +0/-0
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Author:Just not intentionally
4/6/2023 2:56:18 PM
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2771234 |
You can absolutely go beyond 14 hours duty time. Feds agree +1/-0
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Author:Absolutely false
4/6/2023 3:03:08 PM
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The minute you go over 14 the FAA shows up punches your cert and kicks you in the balls. Stop with the mis information. |
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Msg ID:
2771237 |
Yeah, OK, ... Doesn't change my point, it only makes it more on point! (NT) +0/-0
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Author:Anonymous
4/6/2023 4:20:05 PM
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2771236 |
Right, so why are we limiting a Part 135 pilot to a 14-hr duty day? +0/-0
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Author:You doing exactly what you're
4/6/2023 4:18:48 PM
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arguing:
"we don't make a decision to do or not do something based on a remote eventuality, especially when it will little or no meaningful effect."
We've made a reglatory decision to limit a pilot's duty day to 14 hrs based on a remote eventuality! |
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Msg ID:
2771240 |
Right, so why are we limiting a Part 135 pilot to a 14-hr duty day? +0/-0
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Author:no
4/6/2023 5:08:52 PM
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fatigue is a cause of accidents. a video is not a cause of accidents. quite simple. |
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Msg ID:
2771273 |
Of all the HAA accidents we've had, NONE were because they exceeded +0/-0
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Author:a 14-hour duty day!! NONE!
4/6/2023 10:23:07 PM
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One should have been, but it wasn't even discovered and they blamed it on a BS soapbox issue! |
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Msg ID:
2771275 |
Of all the HAA accidents we've had, NONE were because they exceeded +0/-0
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Author:so what you’re saying
4/6/2023 10:54:36 PM
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is the 14 hour duty day works as intended |
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Msg ID:
2771286 |
They used to do teil-end flight with medcrew that exceeded 14 hrs (NT) +0/-0
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Author:all the time. Were there any accidents?
4/7/2023 3:39:20 AM
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Msg ID:
2771296 |
They used to do teil-end flight with medcrew that exceeded 14 hrs +0/-0
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Author:probably
4/7/2023 8:10:15 AM
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fatigue is cumulative |
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Msg ID:
2771257 |
IOW's in spite if your contention they don't do things based on +0/-0
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Author:no
4/6/2023 7:16:34 PM
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they wrote regulations about what has happened in the past, not the future lol. you are really bad at this bro. |
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Msg ID:
2771274 |
Find an accident in the NTSB database showing it was due to being (NT) +0/-0
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Author:on duty more than 14 hrs as the cause
4/6/2023 10:25:00 PM
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2771276 |
Find an accident in the NTSB database showing it was due to being +0/-0
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Author:I wonder what
4/6/2023 11:15:10 PM
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this has to do with cameras in the cockpit. I look forward to your answer. you have about six separate thought marbles rolling around in your skull bro |
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Msg ID:
2771534 |
Find an accident in the NTSB database showing it was due to being +0/-0
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Author:been there, done that
4/8/2023 10:10:07 PM
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Truth be told we just want the cockpit cameras installed so we can see the look on your face at the exact moment you see the inverted ground racing towards your windscreen and you regret your sole decision to GO. We can also use that cockpit image at your memorial service...or to give you full credit at a future AMRM class while we attempt to explain your selfish PIC decision(s) that killed a HEMS crew and patient. Secret's out... |
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Msg ID:
2780455 |
Find an accident in the NTSB database showing it was due to being +0/-0
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Author:say wut
4/22/2023 3:33:08 AM
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I wasn't inverted, the ground was! |
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Msg ID:
2771262 |
FOQA / LOSA! +0/-1
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Author:that doesn't look like
4/6/2023 8:46:59 PM
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any airplane I've ever seen. |
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Msg ID:
2771283 |
FOQA / LOSA! +0/-1
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Author:Peepee
4/7/2023 12:58:27 AM
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Poopoo |
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