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Msg ID: 2768387 How to trigger Civ trained Pilots +6/-26     
Author:Bent not broke
3/17/2023 1:48:00 PM

Mention you receive VA disability compensation. 100% disabled 3,820 a month tax free, CW4 Pension (4k a month) on top of that...And 17 years in HEMS 117k a year. Hate the game kids!



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Msg ID: 2768397 How to trigger Civ trained Pilots +7/-1     
Author:Civilian Trained Guy
3/17/2023 3:36:53 PM

Reply to: 2768387

Congrats on your income and thanks for your service. Hope you disability has cured itself and doesnt cause you any further discomfort.



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Msg ID: 2768398 How to trigger Civ trained Pilots +17/-2     
Author:Robbie Ranger
3/17/2023 3:38:17 PM

Reply to: 2768387

Good for you.

Question? How can you fly HAA if you are 100% disabled?



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Msg ID: 2768407 How to trigger Civ trained Pilots +3/-1     
Author:Troll
3/17/2023 4:37:39 PM

Reply to: 2768398

Next!



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Msg ID: 2768410 How to trigger Civ trained Pilots +0/-0     
Author:...we got a live one!
3/17/2023 5:03:22 PM

Reply to: 2768398

on the hook, baby!



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Msg ID: 2768399 How to trigger Civ trained Pilots +6/-0     
Author:Flight Physical
3/17/2023 3:52:59 PM

Reply to: 2768387

How complex are your FAA flight medicals now that you are disabled?



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Msg ID: 2768401 Asked that question the last time he posted +2/-0     
Author:FAA, here to help
3/17/2023 4:01:08 PM

Reply to: 2768399

He didn't answer then either.



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Msg ID: 2768402 How to trigger Civ trained Pilots +18/-1     
Author::-)
3/17/2023 4:04:14 PM

Reply to: 2768387
Or.... and hear me out on this... you could explain the disability process, how percentages work, and how certain disabilities don't affect your ability to safely operate an aircraft. You could also maybe not be a d0uch3bag who brags about how much he makes and recognize that alot of those civilian-trained dudes worked their asses off to get where they are and maybe don't have it quite as good as you. But by all means, go on trying to "trigger Civ trained Pilots" and wonder why we as military-trained aviators often get the stink-eye from said civilian guys.


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Msg ID: 2768403 How to trigger Civ trained Pilots +8/-1     
Author::-)
3/17/2023 4:16:02 PM

Reply to: 2768402
Also... Seventeen years in HEMS and $117K isn't quite the flex you seem to think it is. That's less than second-year FO pay without taking into account any sort of bonus, premium pay, profit-sharing, retirement contribution, or per-diem.


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Msg ID: 2768415 How to trigger Civ trained Pilots +3/-1     
Author:flight risk
3/17/2023 5:44:47 PM

Reply to: 2768403

He's bragging about being the reason heli pay is so low, you think he has any idea what any of those fancy words mean?



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Msg ID: 2768451 How to trigger Civ trained Pilots +0/-0     
Author:It’s also less
3/17/2023 11:10:10 PM

Reply to: 2768403

than a second year corporate lawyer.  What's your point?



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Msg ID: 2768477 How to trigger Civ trained Pilots +0/-0     
Author::-)
3/18/2023 11:01:09 AM

Reply to: 2768451
That staying 17 years at a pilot job that still has you at 117K after 17 years isn't something to brag about.


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Msg ID: 2768411 How to trigger Civ trained Pilots +1/-0     
Author:another one on the hook!
3/17/2023 5:04:54 PM

Reply to: 2768402

keep the line taut, baby!



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Msg ID: 2768418 How to trigger Civ trained Pilots +0/-0     
Author:Typical
3/17/2023 6:30:22 PM

Reply to: 2768387

HO

 

"...how to trigger a scam artist..."



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Msg ID: 2768422 How to trigger Civ trained Pilots +3/-3     
Author:Blue Baby
3/17/2023 6:37:34 PM

Reply to: 2768418

and this is why entitlement programs are such a problem.   Disabled and milking the government POS



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Msg ID: 2768503 How to trigger Civ trained Pilots +2/-0     
Author:100% VA & SSDI
3/18/2023 3:08:57 PM

Reply to: 2768422

What do you call it when BOTH the VA and Social Security says you're totally disabled?  Two totally different systems with totally different ways of determining "disability."  With the VA you get percentages of disability.  Mine ended up totaling 250% BTW, but the VA only pays you at the 100% rate.  With the SSA you're either totally disabled or not disabled, no "degrees" of disability.  

I'm not "milking"anything!  I did take advantage of everything I qualified for under the systems as they are currently being administered.  Why not?  I payed for the SSA benefits, so I earned what they "approved me for; and I dam sure earned what the VA approved me for as well.

 



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Msg ID: 2768426 How to trigger Civ trained Pilots +10/-0     
Author:20 Years Active Duty
3/17/2023 6:44:21 PM

Reply to: 2768387

And after two 11 month tours to the sand box, I got zero disability...I guest you have to know someone.



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Msg ID: 2768434 File for tinnitus and there's your first 10% (NT) +1/-0     
Author:Don't tell me you don't have it
3/17/2023 7:44:37 PM

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Msg ID: 2768469 How to trigger Civ trained Pilots +1/-0     
Author:so
3/18/2023 10:14:58 AM

Reply to: 2768426

because you chose to serve (thank you) & got deployed does that make you automatically able for a disability claim??? I don't understand your statement? No disrespect.



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Msg ID: 2768491 How to trigger Civ trained Pilots +2/-2     
Author:Flight Surgeon
3/18/2023 1:05:19 PM

Reply to: 2768469

Fact is, it use to be very difficult to qualify for 100% disability, but today all you have to do is prove you did some combat time in Iraq or Afghanistan and BINGO you get 100% disability.  



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Msg ID: 2768499 How to trigger Civ trained Pilots +1/-0     
Author:Don't Know Anyone @ the VA
3/18/2023 3:00:08 PM

Reply to: 2768426

You don't have to know anyone, but you do have to know how the VA system works.  There are plenty of YouTube channels if you'd like to educate yourself and do it alone.  The other option is paying someone for their expertise.  You don't pay unless they get you benefits, and only have to pay them when you get your back pay lump sum.  There are many options there too.  All you have to do is a google search.  



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Msg ID: 2768439 I’m prior full time military with over 10 years  +12/-4     
Author:and on zero disability
3/17/2023 8:45:23 PM

Reply to: 2768387

You are just a sorry sap sucker worse than any illegal alien criminal.  Please do the right thing and fully ID yourself here so I can make you 100% disable FOR REAL so you can earn that free fraudulent handout.



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Msg ID: 2768452 I’m prior full time military with over 10 years  +3/-5     
Author:Fish On!
3/17/2023 11:51:40 PM

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Msg ID: 2768455 How to trigger Mil pilots +1/-2     
Author:Pvt Pyle
3/18/2023 2:30:50 AM

Reply to: 2768387

Ask them how many pilots it takes to crash a Blackhawk



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Msg ID: 2768486 Probably a bored med troll (NT) +2/-0     
Author:That never served in military
3/18/2023 12:36:38 PM

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Msg ID: 2768498 How to trigger Civ trained Pilots +4/-2     
Author:good luck
3/18/2023 2:59:30 PM

Reply to: 2768387

Several years ago, it was reported in the news that two helicopter pilots were caught not reporting disabilty on their FAA medical exam form. They had their medicals revoked and were prosecuted for fraud. I never heard the end result. It sounded like it was two guys working at the same base for a HAAO provider. I'm guessing that they angered someone with their stories of all the money they were making, and that someone reported them.



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Msg ID: 2768504 How to trigger Civ trained Pilots +2/-0     
Author:XRMH
3/18/2023 3:19:27 PM

Reply to: 2768498

THere is quite a lot of that going on right now.  I know three different guys who have gotten notices from the FAA about the Disability question on the medical form.  I'm not sure how the FAA is getting around the HIPPA laws.  I seem to recall a California FSI doing the same thing a while back and a couple of pilots sueing the FAA about the violation of their HIPPA confidentiality.  As I recall, they won their cases.  

I was 100% disabled for 5 years when I left the Army due to a bout of cancer.  I needed to prove I was cancer free for 12 months before I could apply for a medical.  I answered that question and explained my circumstances.  Since then I've answered "yes" and Previously Reported No Change.  I haven't heard a thing from the FAA.



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Msg ID: 2768513 What the FAA says: +2/-0     
Author:An Army Guy
3/18/2023 5:12:52 PM

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Msg ID: 2768522 What the FAA says: +2/-0     
Author:Indeed
3/18/2023 8:25:38 PM

Reply to: 2768513

When the FAA and VA start to compare notes, a lot of not-so-disabled people are going to find their disability payments dry up. Might even have to pay it back. 



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Msg ID: 2768533 BS. The VA investigates and grants disabilty based +4/-0     
Author:on it's own examination and physical
3/18/2023 11:09:56 PM

Reply to: 2768522
evidence. It has no interest in the FAA or your opinion. But thanks for playing.


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Msg ID: 2768541 Yeah, and that is the problem! +0/-0     
Author:Check out these articles
3/19/2023 7:38:43 AM

Reply to: 2768533

 

https://pilot-protection-services.aopa.org/news/2022/september/01/airmen-receiving-va-disability-benefits

 

https://shackelford.law/news-aviation/aviation-law-articles/pilot-veterans-collecting-va-disability-benefits-beware/

 

https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/avs/offices/aam/ame/guide/app_process/app_history/item18/y/

 

https://www.disabledveterans.org/2018/09/20/beware-of-free-care-veteran-pilots-targeted-in-dragnet-of-va-mental-health-records/

 

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/pilot-health/116448-faa-looking-va-records-indictments-3.html

 



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Msg ID: 2768551 Yeah, and that is the problem! +0/-0     
Author:Tick Tock Tick Tock
3/19/2023 8:51:55 AM

Reply to: 2768541

The game is up...



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Msg ID: 2768554 Have you googled: "Do I automatically lose my driver's license +0/-0     
Author:when I get a DUI"?
3/19/2023 9:14:47 AM

Reply to: 2768551

You'll get some very interesting results, my friend!



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Msg ID: 2768573 You implied that there is something shady +2/-0     
Author:about receiving
3/19/2023 12:46:24 PM

Reply to: 2768541
a disability check and having a valid FAA medical...that is BS. All of your references are for individuals that did not disclose it on their paperwork. Lying on the form is what the articles reference. You disclose the info. the AME/FAA does what they do, and you move on. Been doing it for the last 20 years, easy peasy. If you lie on the form, you may have a problem, doesn't matter which question.


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Msg ID: 2768582 I didn't imply nothing. you implied the faa and va didn't (NT) +0/-0     
Author:ever talk (one government)!
3/19/2023 1:21:20 PM

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Msg ID: 2768595 I didn't imply nothing. you implied the faa and va didn't  +0/-0     
Author:No, what I said was that the VA
3/19/2023 2:20:11 PM

Reply to: 2768582
establishes disability based on their own investigation and could care less about the FAA of your opinion. Reading is FUNdamental.


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Msg ID: 2768605 And, you didn't read those articles, obviously! (NT) +0/-0     
Author:where the FAA and VA swap info!
3/19/2023 4:07:55 PM

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Msg ID: 2768612 And, you didn't read those articles, obviously! +1/-0     
Author:one more time...
3/19/2023 5:08:23 PM

Reply to: 2768605

"When the FAA and VA start to compare notes, a lot of not-so-disabled people are going to find their disability payments dry up. Might even have to pay it back."

Look familiar?  It's total BS.  No one is going to lose a VA disability, or have to pay back benefits based on a FAA investigation over a flight physical.  It doesn't work that way. 

The VA grants disabilities based on their own information and investigation.  You don't just walk in and say "my back hurts" and then they cut you a check.  They do an examination/tests and determine if you get one based on their own investigation. 

Your choice not to disclose a VA disability does not influence your eligibility.  It doesn't work that way.

 

DISMISSED!

 



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Msg ID: 2768626 And, you didn't read those articles, obviously! +1/-0     
Author:…Here’s a thought
3/19/2023 7:09:59 PM

Reply to: 2768612

At ease there Sgt Rock...

The VA doesnt do all of their own evaluations and there are plenty of scam artists out there collecting disability for injuries they don't have.

Don't you think that if the FAA is talking to the VA to cross check and see if you have a disability, then investigating and pulling your medical as those articles stated; that maybe, just maybe they'll go back to the VA and let them know that a guy/gal who is claiming 50-100% disability is out there doing a job similar to the one that supposedly disabled them? And don't you think the VA would be interested? 



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Msg ID: 2768639 I'll take "things that have never happened " (NT) +0/-0     
Author:Alex.
3/19/2023 9:42:27 PM

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Msg ID: 2768655 2022....... +1/-0     
Author:Anonymous
3/20/2023 1:07:37 AM

Reply to: 2768639

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdfl/pr/south-florida-army-veteran-lied-about-disability-stole-money-va

 



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Msg ID: 2768656 2018.... so which is it? Lying to the FAA or lyng to the VA? +0/-1     
Author:Anonymous
3/20/2023 1:11:57 AM

Reply to: 2768655

 

https://www.ktvu.com/news/2-bay-area-pilots-indicted-on-charges-of-lying-on-medical-forms

 



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Msg ID: 2768677 And, you didn't read those articles, obviously! +2/-0     
Author:Um. No.
3/20/2023 10:26:58 AM

Reply to: 2768626

Telling us you know nothing about the military disability system without saying you know nothing about the military disability system. Strong work, Chad.

Here's a hint: It's not like SSDI/SSI.



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Msg ID: 2768696 And, you didn't read those articles, obviously! +0/-0     
Author:These clowns have
3/20/2023 11:47:12 AM

Reply to: 2768677
been playing Call of Duty their whole lives and think that makes them experts on all military matters.


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Msg ID: 2768706 You definitely triggered the little rascals, (NT) +2/-0     
Author:they're wearing out Google.
3/20/2023 12:41:01 PM

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Msg ID: 2768815 How to trigger Civ trained Pilots +0/-0     
Author:In other news
3/21/2023 4:43:35 AM

Reply to: 2768387

Good for you.   The challenge to compensation in our industry will forever be hampered by those who do this as "additional" income versus "primary" income.    

Folks like you are less than inclined to upset the apple cart to fight for higher wages.

<sigh>



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Msg ID: 2768816 How to trigger Civ trained Pilots +0/-0     
Author:Less likely?
3/21/2023 5:29:08 AM

Reply to: 2768815

Less likely than who?

Less likely than someone who owes $80K for flight training secured by their mommy's second mortgage?



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Msg ID: 2768879 How to trigger Civ trained Pilots +0/-0     
Author:Less likely than
3/21/2023 3:49:45 PM

Reply to: 2768816

OP: "100% disabled 3,820 a month tax free, CW4 Pension (4k a month) on top of that...And 17 years in HEMS 117k a year".....

That guy would be "less likely" to push back on a companies lack of compensation changes.

AMIRITE?



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Msg ID: 2768895 How to trigger Civ trained Pilots +1/-0     
Author:Less likely?
3/21/2023 6:45:48 PM

Reply to: 2768879

Than Robbie? Living in a trailer eating ramen with $80K hanging over his head?

It's apparent that you have an anti-military bias and are unable to consider the overall situation in this industry. Civilian trained (and indebted) pilot hires have caught and surpassed military pilot hires in many cases. Lose that chip.



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Msg ID: 2768900 you forgot "once upon a time" (NT) +0/-0     
Author:your numbers are BS.
3/21/2023 7:46:47 PM

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Msg ID: 2769035 How to trigger Civ trained Pilots +1/-0     
Author:Why
3/22/2023 8:08:43 PM

Reply to: 2768387

get personal?

Ur an agitator, not an honorable veteran.  Wake up.  We're all Americans required to support and help one another - united we stand, divided we fall!



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