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Msg ID: 2767874 Oh the Irony (Yes, you pilots) +4/-29     
Author:Someone Had to Say it
3/11/2023 5:16:29 PM

So as I approach my ten year mark as a flight clinician, yes, that is correct, flight clinician-I have come to the conclusion that pilots feel as though they are gods gift to this green earth.  While there are those that are good and some that are bad, those that think and proclaim that they are good-are probably bad....  The ones who haven't stacked their aircraft are just lucky at this point.   I've looked over this board for years and the only thing that I can find as a common feature is that "Medcrew are morons" and they complain about this and that.  "They think they know weather-I went to flight school and I am a pilot, they have no clue what they are talking about."  If you claim to know weather, become a meteorologist.  You may have a grasp on physics and theory of flight-If you claim to be an expert, become a physicist or aeronautics engineer.  Bottom line, in the industry of HEMS, most are on the verge of getting to something better:  Pilots-"Bro, I don't have to do tours or be a CFI anymore, hell yeah,  going to HEMS."  Medcrew-"Bro, I can sleep all day and beat my meat/labia and not have to do anything."  Bottom line, WE are a both wrong.  If we were smarter than we thought we were, we would be somewhere else. We have to stop pulling this US vs THEM mentality and have a legitimate discussion over it.  Sure, some of the med crew  I have worked with are morons.....  Have a discussion-now is the time for you to have your king D*CK show.  Some of the pilots I have worked with-are morons.....  So the med crew says no....  Im sure the HBS programs have a lot to do with communication issues but if you have a routine med crew-talk to them-grow up and have a discussion......  Last time I saw someone die as a result of an aircraft going down-I didn't see any medcrew at the stick.....



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Msg ID: 2767877 Oh the Irony (Yes, you pilots) +22/-0     
Author::-)
3/11/2023 5:38:56 PM

Reply to: 2767874
For me, the "irony" was that as a newer HAA pilot, I tried everything I could think of to open dialogue between our medical crew, me, and the rest of the pilots to no avail. I tried revamping the base safety program, teaching short classes on weather issues like fog formation, thunderstorms, what LTL is and isn't, some CRM concepts and discussions on how we might implement them. It took me about six months to get it through my thick, stupid skull that if our medcrew didn't want to fly that day, it didn't matter how much base education, training, open discussion or whatever I facilitated. If they would rather stay in the recliner and watch their soaps or a ballgame, it wouldn't matter if the weather was way above mins, forecasted to stay that way, and giving every positive trend and indication. They were determined not to fly, and it wasn't my job to convince them otherwise. Any further discussion wasn'tmy job and could be interpreted as me pressuring them to fly. And that's fine. I'm not bitter about it. It was actually a fairly decent job. But I am happy to be on to something better. I guess the point of my rambling, OP, is that there is a reason for the negative stereotype of medical crew that you see on this forum. And as you said,there are idiots on both sides, and most of the time, those idiots, whether pilot or medcrew, aren't interested in an honest discussion.


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Msg ID: 2767878 Oh the Irony (Yes, you pilots) +3/-0     
Author:Come to our base!
3/11/2023 6:19:14 PM

Reply to: 2767877

Well, im sorry that you had that experience in the past.  Im sure that our team would love to have someone who would enjoy to be involved to that extent.  You're welcome to come to our base!  Im sure that we could all learn a thing or two.



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Msg ID: 2767896 Oh the Irony (Yes, you pilots) +5/-1     
Author:LP
3/11/2023 9:27:08 PM

Reply to: 2767878


The medical crew at my base is always reluctance to take flights and put in a lot of effort into manipulating the pilots. They only want pilots who will comply with their requests and be complicit with them in manipulating the company.

This conduct is causing significant delays and disruptions and contributing to a divisive and toxic work environment.



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Msg ID: 2767901 Oh the Irony (Yes, you pilots) +4/-1     
Author::-)
3/11/2023 10:58:44 PM

Reply to: 2767896
That was my experience as well. The more toxic crew at the base where I worked would state their unwillingness to fly, however if the pilot declined or aborted the flight and listed the reason for the decline or abort as that medical crewmember declining under the 51% rule, it created resentment toward the pilot. Bottom line...I as a pilot was expected to come up with a reason and/or bend the truth in such a way as to justify declining the flight, often when weather was perfectly safe to fly in. I'm certainly not proud of bending to the pressure, but anyone here who's worked at a toxic base has likely experienced something similar. And don't get me wrong. It's not all med crew or bases. I used to do a ton of workovers and never saw this at other bases within the region.


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Msg ID: 2767913 Oh the Irony (Yes, you pilots) +1/-2     
Author:Here’s a thought
3/12/2023 8:38:47 AM

Reply to: 2767877

When you turn down one for crew 51% and the weather is fine, about 10 minutes after, go do a solo training flight.



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Msg ID: 2767992 Oh the Irony (Yes, you pilots) +0/-1     
Author::-)
3/12/2023 10:05:18 PM

Reply to: 2767913
That may work for you where you are. I can say without a doubt that would have only caused more drama and trouble at the base where I was.


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Msg ID: 2767898 Take it to Justclinicians.com... +10/-1     
Author:far more people have been
3/11/2023 9:55:50 PM

Reply to: 2767874

killed in helicopters by you clowns than the number of "clinicians" killed by pilots.

If you want to be a "crewmember" you have to own the mistakes. 

Weather related accident...contributing factor...medcrew did not vote NO.  How's that sound sparky.  Crewmembers don't get to be victims.



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Msg ID: 2767899 Take it to Justclinicians.com... +2/-6     
Author:Cool story bro
3/11/2023 10:20:10 PM

Reply to: 2767898

Med crew are always starting with sick folks most of the time-Why do you think they call it practice PIC?  We own it on the back end-for days, months, years while Sit up front oblivious to what's really going on.  Obviously more people "die" in the back based purely on statistics alone....  Im sure your crews love you sparky.....



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Msg ID: 2767904 Take it to Justclinicians.com... +6/-2     
Author:Hmm
3/11/2023 11:29:06 PM

Reply to: 2767899

Bottom line for the op, you're still self loading baggage, so shut up and buckle up.



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Msg ID: 2767905 Yeah, turning sick people into dead people, it's (NT) +1/-4     
Author:Inevitable right? Lol
3/11/2023 11:35:35 PM

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Msg ID: 2767920 Yeah, turning sick people into dead people, it's +0/-1     
Author:Rodney
3/12/2023 10:47:40 AM

Reply to: 2767905

Why can't we all get along?



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Msg ID: 2767928 a flight clinician is a crewmember since the perform an assigned duty +0/-1     
Author:on an aircraft in "flight"; otherwise,
3/12/2023 1:11:22 PM

Reply to: 2767874
... you are just a clinician!


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Msg ID: 2767931 a flight clinician is a passenger (NT) +1/-1     
Author:that works on passengers
3/12/2023 1:30:47 PM

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Msg ID: 2768112 passenger can also be crewmembers if they have an assigned duty on an +0/-0     
Author:aircraft in flight ! it's sorta like...
3/14/2023 8:30:36 AM

Reply to: 2767931
... being service dog and a pet at the same time.


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Msg ID: 2767943 A clinician is a medic. A nurse would've said (NT) +0/-1     
Author:"nurse".
3/12/2023 3:14:19 PM

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Msg ID: 2767958 A clinician is a medic. A nurse would've said +0/-1     
Author:no
3/12/2023 5:47:45 PM

Reply to: 2767943

both called clinicians. it's the correct term. not flight crew, as they aren't.



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Msg ID: 2768113 FARs and the FAA disagree with you. (NT) +0/-0     
Author:FAR 1.1
3/14/2023 8:36:42 AM

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Msg ID: 2768116 FARs and the FAA disagree with you.  +0/-0     
Author:Ok
3/14/2023 9:15:39 AM

Reply to: 2768113

Not Flight crew. 



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Msg ID: 2767965 a clinician is the person who collects the pee for (NT) +0/-1     
Author:your drug test
3/12/2023 6:37:36 PM

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Msg ID: 2767962 Oh the Irony (Yes, you pilots) +1/-1     
Author:SMH Medics
3/12/2023 6:25:47 PM

Reply to: 2767874

Why do medics think they know everything? When the truth is they are the lowest paid, mainly educated from podcasts, and are also members of the local search and rescue. They think because they talk to pilots or have ridden with a pilot through the years they know about flight. 

Take your certificate and throw it in the trash. Go enroll at your community college and become a nurse you will be happier and might realize the problem isn't the pilot it's you.



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Msg ID: 2767968 Oh the Irony (Yes, you pilots) +0/-1     
Author:Hmmm
3/12/2023 7:03:53 PM

Reply to: 2767962

You're self loading baggage.  Put any name you want on it, you're self loading baggage.



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Msg ID: 2767972 Oh the Irony (Yes, you pilots) +5/-1     
Author:Pilot type clinician
3/12/2023 7:39:08 PM

Reply to: 2767874

As I approach 30 years flying I continue to be amazed at how many people die from medical screw ups. In my personal observation 2-4 each year that I see first hand.

 Clinicians and the rest just go along and astonishingly I see family often thank these buffoons for doing their best!

 So... until pilots kill more than medical types I'll remain unimpressed by opinions from the scrubs gallery.



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Msg ID: 2768043 Oh the Irony (Yes, you pilots) +3/-1     
Author:English is my primary language
3/13/2023 3:24:42 PM

Reply to: 2767874

"The ones who haven't stacked their aircraft are just lucky at this point."

What does "Stacked Their Aircraft" mean?

I've been in the helicopter business since 1984 and I've never heard that terminology.

Please inform.....



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Msg ID: 2768067 Oh the Irony (Yes, you pilots) +0/-1     
Author:pilot
3/13/2023 6:49:00 PM

Reply to: 2767874

I stopped reading at clinician



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Msg ID: 2768148 Oh the Irony (Yes, you pilots) +0/-0     
Author:nancy
3/14/2023 7:09:50 PM

Reply to: 2767874

And they call the aircraft HELOS !



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Msg ID: 2768159 Oh the Irony (Yes, you pilots) +0/-0     
Author:New IP Guy
3/14/2023 9:07:38 PM

Reply to: 2767874

I am going to design a helicopter that has a galley, with benches and rowing appliances that are manned by the medcrew.

When patients are absent, the medcrew will be assigned crewmember positions there, and the output of their rowing efforts will be transmitted to a portion of the main transmission to assist in keeping the helicopter flying. No sprag clutch, so they have to keep rowing during autorotation.

Row well and live, medcrew.



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Msg ID: 2768266 Oh the Irony (Yes, you pilots) +0/-0     
Author:Anonymous
3/15/2023 10:19:39 PM

Reply to: 2767874

assume "that" means "who".

English?

Keep plugging, you'll get there.



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