Msg ID:
2767820 |
Scud Running +5/-1
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Author:Earl Anger
3/11/2023 8:45:11 AM
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You take a chance of flying into things when you do it. Don't allow non-avaition medical managers pressure you into doing it. |
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Msg ID:
2767826 |
Scud Running is a long-lost skill among the younger crowd +2/-2
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Author:I love to scud-run
3/11/2023 9:41:38 AM
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Msg ID:
2767829 |
Scud Running is a long-lost skill among the younger crowd +5/-3
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Author:among older crowd as well
3/11/2023 10:02:29 AM
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they're all dead |
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Msg ID:
2767834 |
A particular HAA operation with a relatively new +2/-3
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Author:ASM/pilot requires pilots to document
3/11/2023 10:20:24 AM
Reply to: 2767829
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The wx for turn down flights due to wx. |
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Msg ID:
2767842 |
so what? you seem to be implying something! (NT) +1/-0
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Author:Anonymous
3/11/2023 12:00:00 PM
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Msg ID:
2767846 |
so what? you seem to be implying something! +4/-3
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Author:Not a problem
3/11/2023 1:13:05 PM
Reply to: 2767842
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Sometimes a week after the fact the ASM will get asked the question, 'Why did we turn that one down, do you think we could have done it if we had an IFR aircraft"?
That is just one example of questions ASM's get. As a pilot I always save the weather for turn downs and it has helped me when I have got a call.
It rarely happens though and I don't take it personal as there is more going on above me that I care to question. |
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Msg ID:
2767862 |
so what? you seem to be implying something! +2/-1
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Author:The fact
3/11/2023 3:15:43 PM
Reply to: 2767846
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you got a call says enough about those above you. At some point, the calls from above won't be questions, they'll be directives. |
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Msg ID:
2767993 |
Airlines document all their takeoff weather! (NT) +0/-0
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Author:Be glad we don't do that!
3/12/2023 10:27:18 PM
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Msg ID:
2767934 |
so what? you seem to be implying something! +0/-0
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Author:ASM?
3/12/2023 1:58:29 PM
Reply to: 2767846
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Sounds like a Metro problem |
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Msg ID:
2767888 |
Same nimrod person/company that officially put +10/-0
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Author:Out a prefight should only require
3/11/2023 7:32:42 PM
Reply to: 2767834
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15 minutes to complete. They don't want you signing in 15-20 mins earl. You will have to refuel, fuel sample, refill O2 bottle, clean windscreen, paperwork, all of the intranet logins, brief the medcrew, morning/evening aviation class to the medcrew.
And... we will NEVER question you about the wx until we start questioning you about the wx.
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Msg ID:
2767889 |
Same nimrod person/company that officially put +1/-1
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Author:Anonymous
3/11/2023 7:37:13 PM
Reply to: 2767888
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You must work for MTC. |
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Msg ID:
2767897 |
Younger Crowd +4/-1
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Author:Med Crew
3/11/2023 9:42:40 PM
Reply to: 2767826
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The "younger crowd" similar to the med crew dont want to fly |
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Msg ID:
2767847 |
Scud Running +5/-1
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Author:Scud
3/11/2023 1:13:12 PM
Reply to: 2767820
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running is for fools and the suicidal, not to mention those weak enough to be influenced by the idea it is safe - it isn't, not even close. |
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Msg ID:
2767866 |
Scud Running +3/-0
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Author::-)
3/11/2023 3:32:12 PM
Reply to: 2767820
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Weird. When I was in HAA, there was far more pressure from the med types to turn down flights in perfectly safe weather conditions than pressure from them or management to take flights in cruddy conditions. I found that whether or not there was a college football game on television that the nurse or medic wanted to watch had far more effects on how safe the weather was than things like ceiling,vis, cloud coverage etc. |
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Msg ID:
2767873 |
If you're gonna do it, it should be "scud walking"" (NT) +2/-0
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Author:not " running"
3/11/2023 5:01:32 PM
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Msg ID:
2767880 |
If you're gonna do it, it should be "scud walking"" +4/-0
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Author:Better Yet
3/11/2023 6:29:02 PM
Reply to: 2767873
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VFR Over The Top makes for a lot less pucker factor than scud running/walking. |
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Msg ID:
2767882 |
If you're gonna do it, it should be "scud walking"" +2/-1
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Author:oldNtired
3/11/2023 6:40:16 PM
Reply to: 2767880
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Define "Scud Running", seriously, Its too subjective, everyone's abilities are different. Knowledge, common sense and experience are the determinates for a Go-No go. |
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Msg ID:
2767885 |
If you're gonna do it, it should be "scud walking"" +3/-1
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Author:Webster
3/11/2023 6:57:56 PM
Reply to: 2767882
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When ceilings fall below 1,000agl and vis < 1 mile and you keep slowing and losing altitude and start squirming in your seat. |
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Msg ID:
2767887 |
If you're gonna do it, it should be "scud walking"" +4/-0
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Author:anony
3/11/2023 7:13:36 PM
Reply to: 2767885
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Fair enough, just like playing with fireworks as a kid there is a smart way to do a dumb thing and a dumb way to do a dumb thing. The pilots who maintain a speed that out flies their visibility combined with operating in an area that they are not absolutely familar with the terrain/obstacles is a recipe for diaster, see the 407 down south that hit the power lines a month or 2 on the job, in the fog at over 100kts.
All of us here if asked to repo a helicopter from one side of the airport to the other with 50' vis and 50' ceilings could do it. We would literally be walking the thing down the taxiway but all of us could control the aircraft with the slightest references out the window or even the chin bubble. For us here working part 135 our GOM and FAR has on ground long before it gets that bad provided you follow the rules. If you are 91, especially back before they changed the class G visibility rules, you could find yourself in a completely different set of circumstances and it was up to you not to do dumb things the dumb way. Slower and lower as required and never giving up visual references and knowing with 100% certainty of what was ahead and operating at a speed where if the 1/2 mile vis you are working with suddenly turns into a wall of fog the ability to easily come to a stop/turn around or land without any significant manuevering.
Enroute decision points and good judgement should have you turning around, diverting or landing long before you get forced into an uncomfortable relationship with the ground. But if you do continue to press forward, slower and lower that would ultimately end with you in a hover, looking at the top of a tree through the chin bubble. Then slowly walking from tree top to tree top till you find an opening to land in.
If there is an precip then know at what speed the wind isnt going to clear the water off the windshield, in the AS350 series its around 40-50 kts. If you need to go slower than that to maintain adequate reaction time with precip you need to stop what you are doing or things are not going to end well.
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Msg ID:
2767900 |
If you're gonna do it, it should be "scud walking"" +1/-7
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Author:New IP Guy
3/11/2023 10:35:53 PM
Reply to: 2767880
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Define VFR over the top. Or, what you mean by it. Good chance you have a misconception about it. |
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Msg ID:
2767961 |
If you're gonna do it, it should be "scud walking"" +2/-1
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Author:Old CFII
3/12/2023 6:12:25 PM
Reply to: 2767900
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Over = VFR (usually 1,000' above scattered of light broken clouds
On Top = IFR above any cloud layer. |
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Msg ID:
2768059 |
If you're gonna do it, it should be "scud walking"" +0/-0
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Author:New IP Guy
3/13/2023 5:28:53 PM
Reply to: 2767961
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No such thing as light broken. The dicriminator is thin. |
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Msg ID:
2768125 |
If you're gonna do it, it should be "scud walking"" +0/-0
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Author:New IP Guy
3/14/2023 11:08:34 AM
Reply to: 2767961
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Over the top clearance requires an IFR clearance. |
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Msg ID:
2767973 |
Scud Running +2/-4
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Author:Dirty ole utility
3/12/2023 7:40:37 PM
Reply to: 2767820
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Define scud running son. For some of us 300 an 1/2 is just another day flying |
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Msg ID:
2768036 |
How about hovering down a highway? +0/-2
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Author:Scud-runner
3/13/2023 1:46:18 PM
Reply to: 2767973
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Msg ID:
2768056 |
How about hovering down a highway? +0/-0
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Author:anony
3/13/2023 5:22:24 PM
Reply to: 2768036
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There is a video out there of british special forces group following a road at maybe 10' just off the edge of the road so they dont get hit by cars.
SAS Helicopter comes out of fog - YouTube
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Msg ID:
2768117 |
Scud Running +3/-0
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Author:I am NOT walter
3/14/2023 9:26:06 AM
Reply to: 2767973
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thats cuz you dont fly above 150' to the next power pole that is only 1000' away. Big difference if you actually have to navigate. What you do is not easy and you are no doubt very skilled, but it is essentially a flying forklift job. Dont try to compare the two. That would be a fools errand |
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