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Msg ID: 2767772 Holy Cow HAA is terrible.... +8/-5     
Author:This job is the worst
3/10/2023 9:41:57 PM

Prove Me Wrong.....



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Msg ID: 2767775 Holy Cow HAA is terrible.... +6/-3     
Author:I'll bite
3/10/2023 10:05:10 PM

Reply to: 2767772

I'm being paid to sleep.  Literally.



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Msg ID: 2767776 Holy Cow HAA is terrible.... +5/-5     
Author:Yep, you are
3/10/2023 10:11:54 PM

Reply to: 2767775

Away from Home, paid lower than most pilots with similar amount of hours.  Getting little to no retirement saved away. 

Oh yah, having to pull lots of over time to make a good amount of money.

All the while, Single pilot, Night, Nvg, unprepared lz, wires, polls, people, cars, animals, etc.

Yep, we are doing great compared to a 21 year SIC in the regionals.

I bet when your at the bar you have the best stories.



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Msg ID: 2767777 Holy Cow HAA is terrible.... +3/-3     
Author:I have a
3/10/2023 10:22:59 PM

Reply to: 2767776
level 60 palidan that I've only leveled up at work. Top that bucko


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Msg ID: 2767779 Holy Cow HAA is terrible.... +4/-4     
Author:I'll bite twice.
3/10/2023 10:27:39 PM

Reply to: 2767776

Well, I'll answer your questions in order

1. Any "hands on" job requires time away from home. 

2. I make SIGNIFICANTLY more than most in HAA and even without the OT, I'm living very well.

3. Putting away a SIGNIFICANT amount away in my 401K every month (although the market does suck right now but that's another story)

4. I like single pilot, Night, NVG's, unprepared LZ's etc...  (It keeps me interested)

5. A 21 year old flying regionals has to go to sleep with 10 other guys in a crash pad in NJ because he can't afford a decent hotel every 8 days.

 

So yeah, I kind of dig my job.



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Msg ID: 2767780 Holy Cow HAA is terrible.... +2/-4     
Author:fapper
3/10/2023 10:32:40 PM

Reply to: 2767779

1. BS

2.  Subjective,  and not provable, but most probably BS.

3.  Very proud of you.  Doesn't negate the origional post.

4.  Subjective, but BS.  You have not really done it when it was difficult, if you "like it".

5.  The only kernel of truth here.

 

Stroke you ego somewhere else, chief.



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Msg ID: 2767781 Holy Cow HAA is terrible.... +0/-6     
Author:3rd and final bite
3/10/2023 10:34:09 PM

Reply to: 2767780

Why you mad bro?  Murse not make a pass at you tonight?



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Msg ID: 2767782 Holy Cow HAA is terrible.... +2/-2     
Author:asdf
3/10/2023 10:35:32 PM

Reply to: 2767781

I am double retired, so eat a pickle, kid.



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Msg ID: 2767892 Holy Cow HAA is terrible.... +2/-2     
Author:Hero here again
3/11/2023 8:18:32 PM

Reply to: 2767782

It's because of the Warrant Officers in the past like you that have killed this industry with pay.

 

After Vietnam there were a huge amount of pilots without degrees, or any way to go into a professional career.

Companies paid what you valued yourself at, and at the time, all of you valued yourself low, very low.

After years of people with no where to go and just flying because that's all they could do, we end up here.  

In a non professional, low class, uneducated, group of people who can't get the stuff together and the industry runs away making tons of money while putting you in harms way.  That does not make you a hero it makes you dumb, because this is not the Coast Guard or the military, or volunteer.

They are making money on your ego, and lack of intelligence.



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Msg ID: 2767803 Holy Cow HAA is terrible.... +9/-2     
Author:Are we still clinging to this?
3/11/2023 6:26:23 AM

Reply to: 2767779

"5. A 21 year old flying regionals has to go to sleep with 10 other guys in a crash pad in NJ because he can't afford a decent hotel every 8 days."

In five years, that kid will be making double what took you 20. I wonder how the 21 year old helicopter pilot is living.

 



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Msg ID: 2767806 Holy Cow HAA is terrible.... +6/-2     
Author:when i was 21
3/11/2023 7:09:33 AM

Reply to: 2767803

Sleeping in bunks with 7 other guys in the middle of the Gulf of Mexico.   

Helicopter flying is less glamourous than airline, period.

Pay is less, thats a fact. However, it is commensurate with total revenues brought in by the companies.

When we bitch about it, we sound like the WNBA or Womens soccer players crying why we dont make more.

If you want more $$, increase your level of education and go to the airlines, otherwise go to work, put up with the med types, enjoy driving home on a daily basis and learn how to live on less.



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Msg ID: 2767796 Holy Cow HAA is terrible.... +0/-1     
Author:Farmer
3/11/2023 12:19:47 AM

Reply to: 2767772

I would have to meet you face to face to prove it, but I've grossed $1M in the last 5 years flying HAA, and half of that came in the last 2 years. If you want me to actually prove it, what are the stakes? 



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Msg ID: 2767848 Holy Cow HAA is terrible.... +5/-1     
Author:May
3/11/2023 1:14:13 PM

Reply to: 2767772

be the worst in your mind but for those who are stuck in it they just make the best of a bad thing and go on living their lives.  Better than digging ditches!



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Msg ID: 2767857 Holy Cow HAA is terrible.... +0/-1     
Author:Captain
3/11/2023 2:28:08 PM

Reply to: 2767848

Absolutely. When I'm getting paid 150k a year (with a ltitle OT) for a VFR helicopter that's not bad



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Msg ID: 2767869 Holy Cow HAA is terrible.... +3/-1     
Author:There are
3/11/2023 4:36:40 PM

Reply to: 2767857

definitely bright spots in the industry.  My opinion is a lot who complain about it are less than caable of handling the situation or too young to know better.  Of course there are a few of us who complain one day and say nice things the next - human nature?

One thing I noticed in the industry is once a pilot gets some seniority and further up the salary scale the companies tend to try to slough them off somehow.  I found that annoying and pushed back on all levels when it came my way.  Experienced pilots tend to fly more than less experienced ones.



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Msg ID: 2767863 Holy Cow HAA is terrible.... +4/-1     
Author::-)
3/11/2023 3:17:13 PM

Reply to: 2767772
HAA isn't terrible. It's just that we're in a market that affords unprecedented opportunity to go do something that for many people is a much better job/career for their circumstances.


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Msg ID: 2767870 Holy Cow HAA is terrible.... +0/-1     
Author:Pretty
3/11/2023 4:37:55 PM

Reply to: 2767863

well said though not sure exactly what circumstance you are referring to generally speaking I get it.



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Msg ID: 2767884 Holy Cow HAA is terrible.... +0/-2     
Author:oldNtired
3/11/2023 6:46:05 PM

Reply to: 2767870

If I was a Med Tech or a Nurse and I read this forum, I don't think I would get in a helicopter with anyone of you.  What are you guys, 17 ??



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Msg ID: 2767891 Holy Cow HAA is terrible.... +0/-1     
Author:Nail on head
3/11/2023 8:13:12 PM

Reply to: 2767884

This is the big problem.

Huge amounts of baby men and women.

HAA just happens to magnify it so much.

 



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Msg ID: 2767890 Holy Cow HAA is terrible.... +2/-2     
Author:$$$$$
3/11/2023 8:08:04 PM

Reply to: 2767772
$230,000 the past five years.


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Msg ID: 2767895 Holy Cow HAA is terrible.... +1/-1     
Author:Same
3/11/2023 9:02:08 PM

Reply to: 2767890

same 



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Msg ID: 2767914 Holy Cow HAA is terrible.... +1/-3     
Author:No way in h...
3/12/2023 8:47:33 AM

Reply to: 2767890

Anyone who puts down numbers like that, are just plain lying.

You are making 230K that includes you military retirement.

Again you are he problem.

 



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Msg ID: 2767951 Holy Cow HAA is terrible.... +0/-1     
Author:Don’t
3/12/2023 4:40:01 PM

Reply to: 2767914

Be a hater cuz your not making 200k+ 

would ya hate it more if I told you I used to be a robi ranger?



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Msg ID: 2767954 Holy Cow HAA is terrible.... +1/-1     
Author:No but
3/12/2023 5:10:08 PM

Reply to: 2767951

I would be surprised if you told me you weren't.



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Msg ID: 2767978 Holy Cow HAA is terrible.... +1/-0     
Author:once a Robbie ranger
3/12/2023 8:38:44 PM

Reply to: 2767954

always a ranger



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Msg ID: 2768033 Holy Cow HAA is terrible.... +0/-1     
Author:Let me guess
3/13/2023 1:12:15 PM

Reply to: 2767978

Your broke and fly a hawk for the guard. neat 



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Msg ID: 2768400 Holy Cow HAA is terrible.... +0/-0     
Author:oldNtired
3/17/2023 3:54:58 PM

Reply to: 2767890

$230000.00 the past five years.  that  is not even $50,000.00 @ year !!!



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