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Msg ID: 2767621 is the b429 the worlds most expensive paper weight? +3/-4     
Author:VNE175
3/9/2023 11:15:21 PM

who at bell thought the MTOW of the 429 was sufficient for a light twin especially when compared to its airbus competitors? think looks cool but it doesnt carry it weight especially in the ems world. 



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Msg ID: 2767623 is the b429 the worlds most expensive paper weight? +0/-0     
Author:Good ol
3/10/2023 12:02:38 AM

Reply to: 2767621

Boy boomer stuff 



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Msg ID: 2767624 is the b429 the worlds most expensive paper weight? +4/-1     
Author:Only in USA
3/10/2023 12:42:26 AM

Reply to: 2767621

7500lbs everywhere else. Bell doesn't care



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Msg ID: 2767630 is the b429 the worlds most expensive paper weight? +1/-1     
Author:Bell doesnt care?
3/10/2023 3:38:55 AM

Reply to: 2767624

They tried three times to get the MGW increased with the FAA and failed all three times.



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Msg ID: 2767629 is the b429 the worlds most expensive paper weight? +5/-0     
Author:JoHo
3/10/2023 1:43:34 AM

Reply to: 2767621

I have been flying the 429 for a couple of years! Best aircraft I have ever flown in 40 years of flying! The max weight has never been a problem but another 500 lbs. would be nice! Four axis auto pilot flies like a B737! Sweet! 



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Msg ID: 2767631 is the b429 the worlds most expensive paper weight? +8/-1     
Author:in what role?
3/10/2023 3:43:51 AM

Reply to: 2767629

Its comical when EMS advertises an IFR 429.  You can flt IFR to about the end of the street.  Or the LE agencies loading them up with hoists, FLIR, Nightsun, etc. They can just throw the public use flag and fly it however they want.  Love to know how much fuel NYPD can carry in their configuration with all that equiment, two crew and 7,000 MGW.  But then again they dont need much fuel to fly around NYC.  Shame Bell cut corners. Could be a good aircraft.



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Msg ID: 2767635 429 cheaper, bigger, faster and more useful load than a EC135 +5/-5     
Author:Must have failed a checkride
3/10/2023 6:17:53 AM

Reply to: 2767631

Faster, cheaper, and more cabin space than an EC145. 429 much better and stable autopilot with 4-axis.

Bigger, faster, cheaper, and far better range than EC135.

You obviously have never actually operated it HAA and probably failed a ride or didn't get that 429 position you wanted.

power never an issue since you basically have a 500 pound buffer built in that the MedCrews can't shove more crap in.



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Msg ID: 2767646 429 cheaper, bigger, faster and more useful load than a EC135 +6/-0     
Author:Actually
3/10/2023 8:33:45 AM

Reply to: 2767635
The 145 has more cabin space.


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Msg ID: 2767676 429 cheaper, bigger, faster and more useful load than a EC135 +7/-0     
Author:H145
3/10/2023 10:56:21 AM

Reply to: 2767635

The H145 has a bigger cabin, nearly the same cruise speed, also a 4 axis AP, and has a MGW thats 1,400lbs higher. Since its also 200lbs lighter, that means a usefull load thats 1,600lbs more. The 429 isn't even remotely competitive.



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Msg ID: 2767832 No. 429 has a larger useable area by volume over the 145 and it’s (NT) +0/-0     
Author:Significantly noticeable
3/11/2023 10:17:46 AM

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Msg ID: 2768085 429 cheaper, bigger, faster and more useful load than a EC135 +0/-0     
Author:LOL
3/13/2023 9:51:48 PM

Reply to: 2767635

Dude about the 429 over the 145, liar liar pants on fire! 



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Msg ID: 2767639 is the b429 the worlds most expensive paper weight? +1/-5     
Author:Anonymous
3/10/2023 7:12:04 AM

Reply to: 2767629

it ain't about the joy of your piloting experience. 

it's about ability to get a job done. 

 

as such 429 is a fail. 



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Msg ID: 2767833 Don’t blame the aircraft, it’s YOU guy….you don’t understand your aircraft (NT) +0/-0     
Author:Or the mission. Cool bro!
3/11/2023 10:19:14 AM

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Msg ID: 2767638 is the b429 the worlds most expensive paper weight? +1/-1     
Author:say wut
3/10/2023 7:05:15 AM

Reply to: 2767621

only took 14 years for mr swifty to come up with this that has never been discussed before 



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Msg ID: 2767643 is the b429 the worlds most expensive paper weight? +1/-0     
Author:I believe the rest
3/10/2023 8:11:44 AM

Reply to: 2767638

of the world has certified it for 7500. the US is not the world

 



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Msg ID: 2767650 is the b429 the worlds most expensive paper weight? +2/-1     
Author:Man you guys are....
3/10/2023 8:54:16 AM

Reply to: 2767643
Not smart. Part 27 had a gross weight limit as well as of design issues, that's why they can't increase the weight. It needed to be certified under Part 29. Bell did not want to do that, so they tried a end run around. They were going to STC it to a higher gross weight but the FAA said no because it can't meet those safety requirements. Classic Bell messing up and not doing it the right way. Oh how the mighty have fallen. No new real good helicopters coming out, no new ideas. No love for the civilian sector. They need help just like MD, Enstrom, etc.


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Msg ID: 2767651 is the b429 the worlds most expensive paper weight? +0/-0     
Author:we all know the story
3/10/2023 8:58:05 AM

Reply to: 2767650

but it doesn't really matter why 



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Msg ID: 2767654 is the b429 the worlds most expensive paper weight? +1/-0     
Author:this thread has been repeated
3/10/2023 9:28:46 AM

Reply to: 2767651

a thousand times. it goes like this:

the 429 sucks

the 429 cannot "fly across the street" IFR

the 429 is flown public use and they fly it at 7500

the 429 certification story and bell screwed up

repeat same thing every 6 months



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Msg ID: 2767656 is the b429 the worlds most expensive paper weight? +1/-2     
Author:What
3/10/2023 9:35:59 AM

Reply to: 2767650
How does it not meet the safety standards? It's safer than the pos 145C2e


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Msg ID: 2767665 is the b429 the worlds most expensive paper weight? +0/-1     
Author:a newb chimes in
3/10/2023 10:12:35 AM

Reply to: 2767656

it did not meet the safety standards for the level of certification needed to operate at 7500 gw. thanks for chiming in lol



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Msg ID: 2767669 is the b429 the worlds most expensive paper weight? +4/-0     
Author:You're
3/10/2023 10:25:22 AM

Reply to: 2767665

Telling us that EASA  ,CAA which are way more strict the FAA have certified the B429 to operate at MAX 7500lbs and it doesn't meet the FAA safety requirements??? 🤡LOL!! 🤣



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Msg ID: 2767672 is the b429 the worlds most expensive paper weight? +0/-2     
Author:EASA has almost identical
3/10/2023 10:38:51 AM

Reply to: 2767669

certification standards as the FAA and has not increased the weight to 7500 but other than that good post lol



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Msg ID: 2767674 is the b429 the worlds most expensive paper weight? +2/-0     
Author:Really
3/10/2023 10:41:36 AM

Reply to: 2767672

Ever do an AD research on an A/C??? say a S76 any model. FAA would have (just for comparison) 25 AD's EASA & CAA would have 35+ That's a fact too.



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Msg ID: 2767675 is the b429 the worlds most expensive paper weight? +0/-2     
Author:what the hell
3/10/2023 10:44:46 AM

Reply to: 2767674

do ADs have to do with certification. nothing, that's what but good post of a hypothetical example you then called a fact lol 



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Msg ID: 2767679 is the b429 the worlds most expensive paper weight? +2/-0     
Author:You
3/10/2023 11:11:59 AM

Reply to: 2767675

Stated EASA are the same as FAA & they are  NOT.



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Msg ID: 2767680 is the b429 the worlds most expensive paper weight? +0/-2     
Author:okay
3/10/2023 11:15:45 AM

Reply to: 2767679

how are they different. but tell me about the ad thing and the EASA 7500 gross weight thing again lol



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Msg ID: 2767670 is the b429 the worlds most expensive paper weight? +1/-0     
Author:let's complain about
3/10/2023 10:26:29 AM

Reply to: 2767665

how the 429 is no good because you can't fly it at 7500 because this hasn't been talked about enough in 14 years and I'm sure there's something new to add



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Msg ID: 2767696 is the b429 the worlds most expensive paper weight? +1/-0     
Author:I repeat
3/10/2023 2:20:21 PM

Reply to: 2767665
That's a load of cow dong. It has more safety features than a BK117. It's an excuse from the FAA(we are here to help). Tell me, what safety features is it missing. That's what I thought. None


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Msg ID: 2767699 is the b429 the worlds most expensive paper weight? +0/-0     
Author:cow dong
3/10/2023 2:52:30 PM

Reply to: 2767696

what a dork lol



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Msg ID: 2767738 is the b429 the worlds most expensive paper weight? +0/-0     
Author:Hmm
3/10/2023 5:39:03 PM

Reply to: 2767699

https://aviation-regulations.com/part/29

https://aviation-regulations.com/part/27



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Msg ID: 2767746 is the b429 the worlds most expensive paper weight? +2/-0     
Author:Dope
3/10/2023 6:46:54 PM

Reply to: 2767738

For example, a rotorcraft certified as a Part 27 IFR Category A rotorcraft would not need to meet certain airworthiness standards in Subpart D, Design and Construction, of Part 29, including the following:
• Section 29.631, which relates to bird strikes. There is no comparable provision in Part 27. As a result, it is doubtful that the Bell 429 was designed or tested against bird strike criteria, since there are no such criteria under Part 27. The importance of these criteria is highlighted by the recent scrutiny that the NTSB and FAA have been giving to accidents related to bird strikes.
• Requirements related to doors, emergency exits, and fire extinguishers (FAR §§ 29.783, 29.809, 29.811, 29.812, 29.813, and 29.851).
Another significant example is Subpart E, Powerplant, where Part 29 has a requirement not found in Part 27 for protection against uncontained engine rotor failures (FAR § 29.903(d)(1)), and more stringent requirements in terms of endurance testing of the rotor drive system and control mechanisms (FAR §§ 29.923 and 29.927), and in terms of fire protection (FAR §§ 29.1195(b) and 29.1203).



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Msg ID: 2767773 is the b429 the worlds most expensive paper weight? +0/-0     
Author:So...
3/10/2023 9:43:36 PM

Reply to: 2767746

All the people calling that guy a dope... there is your answer.

There is a difference.

 

Have a great night.



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Msg ID: 2767831 is the b429 the worlds most expensive paper weight? +0/-0     
Author:Troll Police
3/11/2023 10:13:53 AM

Reply to: 2767621

Nice troll. 🥱 Nothing to see here!



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Msg ID: 2767941 is the b429 the worlds most expensive paper weight? +0/-0     
Author:Johnny
3/12/2023 3:06:15 PM

Reply to: 2767621

None of them do. When pilots and crews are on the hefty side and the quantity of equipment goes up fuel load goes down. We have numerous 135's that sit with 500-575lbs so they can actually carry a patien. IFR? Forget about it, reserve will never be met.



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Msg ID: 2768519 is the b429 the worlds most expensive paper weight? +0/-0     
Author:Nope, 169 is
3/18/2023 6:26:55 PM

Reply to: 2767621
Ready to deliver aircraft have been sitting over a year waiting for FAA certification. Several orders are being cancelled.


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