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2766666 |
If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO? +0/-15
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Author:Is it the
2/28/2023 9:46:06 AM
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A - Flight Nurse
B - Pilot In Command
C - Flight Medic |
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Msg ID:
2766667 |
If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO? +3/-2
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Author:Genexer
2/28/2023 9:58:46 AM
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Your ex-wife? |
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Msg ID:
2766670 |
If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO? +19/-1
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Author:No big deal
2/28/2023 10:24:57 AM
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If they say 'No, I logically tell them why we should go, if able. If they still say 'No' we go back to bed or whatever and don't give it another thought. I always document the reason for flight declines should questions be asked later. More often than not no questions are asked, but one time I was asked about a turndown three weeks after it happened and was happy I had notes to refer to. |
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2767401 |
This is the right answer +0/-0
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Author:document everything
3/7/2023 4:12:31 PM
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If your company doesnt back you, then you are working for the wrong group. |
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2766673 |
If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO? +5/-1
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Author:Think
2/28/2023 10:58:04 AM
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If one of the three says no, the answer is no. |
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Msg ID:
2766680 |
that wasn't the question (NT) +1/-0
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Author:Anonymous
2/28/2023 11:18:03 AM
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Msg ID:
2766677 |
"... who has the authority to say GO?" B - Pilot In Command, period. +10/-1
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Author:olderendirt
2/28/2023 11:07:23 AM
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§ 91.3 Responsibility and authority of the pilot in command.
(a) The pilot in command of an aircraft is directly responsible for, and is the final authority as to, the operation of that aircraft. |
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Msg ID:
2766681 |
so, if the pic says GO, he's the final authority? (NT) +1/-2
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Author:Anonymous
2/28/2023 11:19:30 AM
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2766695 |
so, if the pic says GO, he's the final authority? +4/-0
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Author:Maverick
2/28/2023 12:54:48 PM
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As to being able to make the flight safel, yes. As to saying we are going on this flight, no.
Remember you are a team/crew. The door was opened long ago to make it easy for one to decline a flight for nearly any reason. So people will. If the flight is doable and the pic says let's go, but the nurse says they are not comfortable and says no. You decline the flight for Medcrew and keep notes as another has suggested.
Remember, there will always be another flight.
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2766699 |
so, if the pic says GO, he's the final authority? +5/-1
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Author:olderendirt
2/28/2023 1:21:07 PM
Reply to: 2766681
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so, if the pic says GO, he's the final authority?
Yes. The regulation says exactly that. Your contract may say otherwise and you, an employee, must abide by your employer's policy, but- the PIC is the final authority.
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Msg ID:
2766759 |
hop aboard then, by the power invested in me as you pic (NT) +0/-0
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Author:I say we are a GO!
2/28/2023 8:40:48 PM
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Msg ID:
2766682 |
"... who has the authority to say GO?" B - Pilot In Command, period. +4/-0
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Author:Very
2/28/2023 11:22:05 AM
Reply to: 2766677
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old subject. Just play nice and keep the med crews happy. They have no authority but if they want to RTB or divert or land or whatever it is the pilot choice to do the safe thing. Talk about it on the ground. |
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Msg ID:
2766683 |
what if one of the others says NO, does he still have the (NT) +0/-0
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Author:authority to say GO?
2/28/2023 11:24:57 AM
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2766692 |
what if one of the others says NO, does he still have the +6/-0
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Author:Ok
2/28/2023 12:45:40 PM
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How about all of you medcal personnel get together and learn how to be better medical staff. You could use it. stay in your lane. |
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Msg ID:
2766700 |
what if one of the others says NO, does he still have the +0/-1
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Author:olderendirt
2/28/2023 1:27:24 PM
Reply to: 2766683
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§ 91.3 Responsibility and authority of the pilot in command.
(a) The pilot in command of an aircraft is directly responsible for, and is the final authority as to, the operation of that aircraft.
There it is, the regulation assigning responsibility and authority. A passenger may refuse to board, may have authority to terminate flight activity, but the PIC is by law and reason the person responsible, and is "... the final authority as to, the operation of that aircraft." |
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Msg ID:
2766712 |
So, if one person can say NO, is that final authority if the PIC says YES? (NT) +0/-1
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Author:Anonymous
2/28/2023 3:29:29 PM
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Msg ID:
2766737 |
"... who has the authority to say GO?" B - Pilot In Command, period. +0/-0
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Author:Maverick
2/28/2023 5:45:08 PM
Reply to: 2766682
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There you go. End of discussion as that is spot on. |
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Msg ID:
2767120 |
Here, hold my smoothie, watch this: I say NO! (NT) +0/-0
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Author:[PIC can take his GO and stick it]
3/4/2023 11:25:53 AM
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2766688 |
That doesn’t apply to HAA flights +0/-2
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Author:Operational Control has final authority
2/28/2023 12:12:53 PM
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What has the industry become? |
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Msg ID:
2766694 |
That doesn’t apply to HAA flights +3/-0
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Author:Seriously bro? lol
2/28/2023 12:48:32 PM
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evenif occ says yes, only the PIC can make it happen. some companies don't even have an occ, chief |
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Msg ID:
2767397 |
"... who has the authority to say GO?" B - Pilot In Command, period. +0/-0
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Author:been there too many times
3/7/2023 3:54:59 PM
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Perfect answer! So why don't you just get in the aircraft and fly to your destination scene or hospital WITHOUT the medical team...that'll show 'em! And you'll be able to make your point, however stupid you end up looking doing so.
Give up the cowboy mentality cause it's not all about you, Roy. We really hate attending those memorial services caused by arrogance, but we'll pretend you were the best pilot since Chuck Yeager as they lower your remains into the ground for the last time. |
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Msg ID:
2766689 |
If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO? +1/-0
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Author:They all can say go but
2/28/2023 12:28:06 PM
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only one has the authority. Take a guess bro |
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Msg ID:
2766705 |
If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO? +0/-0
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Author:Ok
2/28/2023 2:17:39 PM
Reply to: 2766689
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Maybe all you medical types should start your own page called just medical. Maybe you can help each other get better at your profession. |
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Msg ID:
2766707 |
If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO? +2/-0
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Author:Slick
2/28/2023 2:20:29 PM
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EMS is no diferent than any 135 charter operation. For all the talk of the medical folks being crew, baloney. They are passengers as far as flight goes. If I tell passengers I believe it is safe to fly and they don't want to fly so be it, we don't fly. If I say it's not safe to fly, we don't fly, period, no debate. I can't and won't try to force people to do anything they think is unsafe. If there are med personnel that commonly refuse to fly when I think it's safe that's their employers problem.
I've approached fliying passengers this way for 40 years and haven't heard any complaints. |
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Msg ID:
2766708 |
If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO? +0/-1
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Author:EMS
2/28/2023 2:36:49 PM
Reply to: 2766707
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IS 135 when you have people that aren't paid by the A/C Operator, they're customers! |
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Msg ID:
2766709 |
If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO? +2/-1
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Author:olderendirt
2/28/2023 2:52:17 PM
Reply to: 2766708
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IS 135 when you have people that aren't paid by the A/C Operator, they're customers!
And passengers. But, some operators require that customer/passengers have a veto on operations- they can't (ordinarily) make the flight happen but they can stop a flight operation based on company policy.
This can be a serious problem for the PIC when a particular crew objects to certain flights based on other than operational issues... say, desiring a better nights' sleep. Good management can see an obvious pattern when that is so, but it's a good idea for a pilot to keep a record of circumstances that result in lost flights. I'm not going to identify the pilot, crew or program, but a certain crew combination liked an uninterrupted night for extra-curricular activity... |
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Msg ID:
2766711 |
Had one tell me where I needed to go to get fuel +0/-0
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Author:after I picked another place.
2/28/2023 3:26:27 PM
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Had another tell me "just land it and don't worry about if I'm in my seat or not. I don't work for you, you work for me." And he was serious, as in, we can easily find another pilot to work here if you want to make a big deal about it!
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Msg ID:
2766714 |
Had one tell me where I needed to go to get fuel +0/-0
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Author:lol
2/28/2023 3:42:46 PM
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"just land it and don't worry about if I'm in my seat or not. I don't work for you, you work for me."
where else would they be? ayfkm bro |
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Msg ID:
2766715 |
why justify a flight to go if SOMONE says NO? +0/-1
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Author:who cares really????
2/28/2023 3:54:34 PM
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if one of the crew says NO, then why try and justify it? Its on them to explain it Not you....I have gotten in the attitude to not care to even try and argue to justify a flight....If one says no, then move on...Let them justify or explain to their bosses if asked WHY |
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2766729 |
so who had the authority then? ultimately? (NT) +1/-0
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Author:is this how we raise children?
2/28/2023 5:09:58 PM
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Msg ID:
2766728 |
they were putting in a second iv line (NT) +0/-0
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Author:bro
2/28/2023 5:07:21 PM
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Msg ID:
2766726 |
If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO? +0/-0
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Author:I see
2/28/2023 4:47:43 PM
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it's you first day. |
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Msg ID:
2766743 |
If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO? +2/-0
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Author:The phrase was made up by
2/28/2023 6:11:16 PM
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some middle management med puke. There is no "3 to Go".
Only the PIC can say "Go". The meds, pax, OCC, can say "No".
It's not that complicated.
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Msg ID:
2766747 |
If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO? +0/-0
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Author:yeah but
2/28/2023 6:23:23 PM
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If the pilots says go and a med crew says no, no flight. So it is three to go. |
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Msg ID:
2766755 |
How long have you been in (NT) +1/-0
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Author:middle management?
2/28/2023 7:28:41 PM
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Msg ID:
2766762 |
How long have you been in +0/-0
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Author:Line pilot
2/28/2023 9:36:32 PM
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not sure how it's possible to be confused by this but here we are |
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Msg ID:
2766791 |
How long have you been in +1/-0
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Author:Don't care....
3/1/2023 9:54:15 AM
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Just get in the back and be very, very quiet. |
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Msg ID:
2766765 |
If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO? +0/-0
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Author:THis just happened at phi health ….
2/28/2023 10:22:22 PM
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And guess what, no more pilot |
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Msg ID:
2766771 |
If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO? +0/-0
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Author:what just happened at PHI
3/1/2023 7:27:55 AM
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sounds fascinating bro |
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Msg ID:
2766787 |
One to say NO.... Pilot: NO, I don't think you medical types +2/-0
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Author:can handle this patient, so NO
3/1/2023 9:09:11 AM
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I'm not comfortable with it! |
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Msg ID:
2766788 |
One to say NO.... Pilot: NO, I don't think you medical types +0/-1
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Author:yeah bro
3/1/2023 9:11:49 AM
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that would be like so cool if you said that. you would totally own them and that would be like so awesome |
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Msg ID:
2766789 |
They do it for weather! One didn't like flying when it was blowing 15kts (NT) +0/-0
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Author:or more, made her a bit airsick!
3/1/2023 9:45:34 AM
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Msg ID:
2766869 |
If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO? +3/-0
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Author:Oh well....
3/1/2023 9:17:40 PM
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It doesn't matter if you, the pilot says it's good to go. If one of the medically trained passengers decides they're "not comfortable", screw it. Go back to your TV show, movie, or whatever you were doing before the request came in. I get paid whether I fly or not. It isn't worth the argument. Some of these people will "safety" themselves right out of a job at some point. |
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Msg ID:
2766871 |
If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO? +0/-0
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Author:It's not worth the arguement he says
3/1/2023 9:34:33 PM
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who would be dumb enough to argue with a med crew that says no? It completely undermines the whole concept. YOU will be the one looking for a job. |
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Msg ID:
2766877 |
If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO? +1/-0
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Author:Sounds good.
3/1/2023 11:13:28 PM
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now get in the back and try not to kill the patient.. |
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Msg ID:
2766879 |
If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO? +0/-1
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Author:sure
3/1/2023 11:25:02 PM
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but not if I say no, cap |
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Msg ID:
2766909 |
This thread demonstrates just how dumb "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO" (NT) +0/-0
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Author:really is. PIC doesn't final nothing!
3/2/2023 10:22:50 AM
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2766912 |
This thread demonstrates just how dumb "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO" +0/-1
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Author:it's really not that
3/2/2023 10:39:08 AM
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complicated bro. the PIC doesn't have the authority to make people get on an aircraft. get it now. |
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Msg ID:
2766927 |
Yeah, I get it, he's not the final authority (NT) +0/-0
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Author:Anonymous
3/2/2023 12:37:52 PM
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Msg ID:
2766933 |
Yeah, I get it, he's not the final authority +0/-1
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Author:sure he is
3/2/2023 12:55:50 PM
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he is welcome to take off. med crew are not saying the flight can't happen, it's just that they won't be on it. get it now. lol you retard |
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2766974 |
Yeah, so he flys it because he determined it was completely safe, and prove (NT) +2/-0
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Author:giving med crews opcon is stupid!
3/2/2023 8:50:00 PM
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2766928 |
This thread demonstrates just how dumb "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO" +1/-0
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Author:you are correct bro...
3/2/2023 12:40:20 PM
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and all the GO's are meaningless without the PIC's "GO".
So we're kinda back to "1 to say NO"
Good luck in middle management. |
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2766934 |
This thread demonstrates just how dumb "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO" +0/-1
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Author:it's hilarious
3/2/2023 12:57:57 PM
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how confusing this is for you bro lol |
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Msg ID:
2767001 |
It's not "confusing", it's simply a contradiction (NT) +1/-0
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Author:a logical paradox. An inanity!
3/3/2023 8:34:46 AM
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Msg ID:
2766976 |
We're back to PIC really isn't the final authority (NT) +0/-0
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Author:at all!
3/2/2023 8:51:43 PM
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2767099 |
We're back to PIC really isn't the final authority +0/-1
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Author:Not we
3/4/2023 7:41:14 AM
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just you lol |
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2767100 |
WE! If you're medic can say NO, you are not the final authority on this (NT) +1/-0
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Author:flight, even if you say GO!
3/4/2023 7:42:42 AM
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2767134 |
WE! If you're medic can say NO, you are not the final authority on this +0/-1
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Author:final authority does not mean
3/4/2023 2:41:51 PM
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you can make people get on an aircraft or even mean you can initiate a flight. that's why you're so terribly confused and upset about all this. |
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Msg ID:
2767097 |
And the PICs GO is meaningless without both medical crewmembers, making the +1/-0
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Author:PIC not the final authority....
3/4/2023 7:33:40 AM
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So we're kinda back to "who has the final authority to say GO"? It's not the PIC! |
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Msg ID:
2766968 |
If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO? +1/-0
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Author:After reading this thread
3/2/2023 7:04:16 PM
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You can see why HEMS has such a dismal record with wx related accidents compared to the rest of the commercial industry. No one else has passengers making go, no go decisions. |
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2766971 |
If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO? +0/-1
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Author:say wut
3/2/2023 7:21:12 PM
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they’re only making a no decision you dumb retard lol |
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Msg ID:
2766985 |
Whatever...it's not working very well. (NT) +1/-0
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Author:Anonymous
3/2/2023 10:10:21 PM
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2767015 |
Whatever...it's not working very well. +1/-1
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Author:the intent is not to necessarily
3/3/2023 11:47:08 AM
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reduce accidents but to give the med crew an out if they don't want to fly. are all of you this stupid because this is the most simple thing in the world but some of you dumb f**kers just cannot figure this out. |
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2767017 |
"is there gong to be fog tonight, hopefully, it's looking foggy (NT) +1/-0
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Author:I've got to pick up my kids in the AM"
3/3/2023 11:57:45 AM
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2767018 |
"is there gong to be fog tonight, hopefully, it's looking foggy +1/-0
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Author:it can be abused by med crew
3/3/2023 12:03:27 PM
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same as pilots |
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2767019 |
when they aren't qualified to make a weather decision, they shouldn't be (NT) +1/-0
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Author:given final authority to decide it!
3/3/2023 12:26:00 PM
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2767020 |
when they aren't qualified to make a weather decision, they shouldn't be +0/-0
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Author:technically,they aren't making the call
3/3/2023 12:30:54 PM
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the flight can happen, just like any other flight. they just choose not to be on it. |
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Msg ID:
2767021 |
when they aren't qualified to make a weather decision, they shouldn't be +0/-1
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Author:as I said
3/3/2023 12:35:43 PM
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you can't force somebody onto an aircraft by threatening their job. that's the whole idea. it works as designed. 99% of the time there is no issue. If they don't want to go, that's fine with me. so really you're chasing a windmill on this one bro |
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2767030 |
I SAID NO, and that's my final answer! +0/-1
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Author:You can't make me!
3/3/2023 1:50:36 PM
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IOWs, they have final authority to say go also! It's not that hard to understand. If you need me to say GO, and I don't, my decision is a final authority since it is equal to all authority! |
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2767033 |
I SAID NO, and that's my final answer! +1/-0
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Author:what if you
3/3/2023 2:08:56 PM
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got another nurse. see, no operational control. the flight still happens. |
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Msg ID:
2767034 |
I SAID NO, and that's my final answer! +0/-1
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Author:the med crew only has authority
3/3/2023 2:16:25 PM
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over themselves, not the flight itself. what you are saying is illogical. the FAA would step in if what you're saying we're true. Its not bro. Give it up. |
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2767037 |
yeah, sure, keep believing that! If what you say is true, then it's not (NT) +1/-0
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Author:3-to-go!
3/3/2023 2:23:15 PM
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2767040 |
yeah, sure, keep believing that! If what you say is true, then it's not +0/-1
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Author:it's true bro
3/3/2023 3:01:19 PM
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say you're on an oil platform and they want you to take a mechanic to a nearby platform to fix something. he refuses to get on the helicopter for whatever reason. is the mechanic exercising operational control? nope, he just won't get on the helicopter. same as the med crew. |
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2767041 |
The mechanic on the oil platform is not a crewmember and the flight isn't +1/-0
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Author:a holding out to the public either!
3/3/2023 3:20:42 PM
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On the EMS flight, it was. It was a flight being requested not by the Nurse/Medic, but by a customer looking for an EMS helicopter to perform an air ambulance flight, which was cancelled because a medical crewmember had the final authority here say NO.
The other situation was a private customer looking to move an employee of a that private customer. It a flight being offered to the public as an AIR MOBILE MECHANIC SERVICE.
The one is a non-common carrier flight, the other is a common carrier flight!
The public was calling for an air ambulance and some non-pilot was making an operational decision not GO/accept the flight based personal feelings/comfort levels, even after the PIC (who has final authority) accepted the flight (i.e, said GO).
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2767042 |
Look at it this way... 2 mechanics on an oil platform +0/-0
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Author:need to get to another platform, and
3/3/2023 3:25:48 PM
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one say's, "no, I'm not flying" based on a superstition he has fying on days of the month that have a "1" in the date. "NO, he says! Period, you can't make me!"
So, the other mechanic is stuck on the oil platform and can't now get to the other because 1-said-NO |
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2767043 |
Look at it this way... 2 mechanics on an oil platform +0/-1
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Author:uh no
3/3/2023 3:33:35 PM
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you can fly over and get the other mechanic lol you stupid retard |
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2767044 |
No I can't, it was a 3-to-GO rule! You gave the one the authority to say NO (NT) +1/-0
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Author:.... remember?
3/3/2023 3:45:12 PM
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2767045 |
No I can't, it was a 3-to-GO rule! You gave the one the authority to say NO +0/-1
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Author:since the flight can happen
3/3/2023 3:55:37 PM
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that should tell you something lol. |
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2767049 |
It tells me that the "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO" rule means the PIC is not the (NT) +1/-0
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Author:final authority, & the rule is absurd!
3/3/2023 5:18:08 PM
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2767050 |
It tells me that the "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO" rule means the PIC is not the +0/-1
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Author:It’s not
3/3/2023 5:29:43 PM
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a rule but works as intended |
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2767036 |
I'm all for that! (NT) +0/-0
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Author:Anonymous
3/3/2023 2:21:30 PM
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2767046 |
I'm all for that! +1/-0
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Author:Ok
3/3/2023 4:25:31 PM
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If you medical types would spend more time and effort on perfecting your skill, maybe less people will die while you are transporting them. Stay in your lane. |
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2767047 |
Here's what I'd like to do sometime.... +1/-0
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Author:We're going to have to intubate here
3/3/2023 4:32:26 PM
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NO, I say now, it sounds dangerouis and I'm not comfortable with you doing that. I say NO. We're not going. |
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2767082 |
Here's what I'd like to do sometime.... +1/-0
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Author:so do it
3/3/2023 9:47:09 PM
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the only thing stopping you is you're not an ems pilot |
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2767091 |
Here's what I'd like to do sometime.... +0/-1
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Author:you should do that
3/4/2023 2:17:11 AM
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that would be so cool bro |
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Msg ID:
2767157 |
Can't, because I'm not the final authority! (NT) +0/-0
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Author:Anonymous
3/4/2023 6:46:49 PM
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2767112 |
If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO? +0/-1
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Author:it's a great system....
3/4/2023 10:53:40 AM
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you can manipulate them to turn down flights and then go back to sleep.
Just bring up the radar, stare at it while rubbing your chin, hem and haw and then finally say something like "it looks doable". Their little brains catch on fire and they start with the "I'm not comfortable" BS. You turn it down because of the medcrew.
You get to be a company man, they get to be WX hero's, and everyone gets to sleep.
Win, win. |
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2767116 |
meanwhile...the comp comes 30 miles in CAVU weather to fly not just 1 but 2 +1/-0
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Author:flights & earn a preferred status
3/4/2023 11:13:24 AM
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from the requestor, because they know you've sandbagged them. |
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2767124 |
not my problem the crew keeps cancelling... (NT) +0/-0
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Author:the paychecks keep cashing
3/4/2023 12:09:28 PM
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2767153 |
until they don't when the base closes for no volume (NT) +1/-0
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Author:sort srt of is your problem.
3/4/2023 5:56:45 PM
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2767158 |
So far, so good. Lots of jobs out there. (NT) +0/-1
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Author:Earn money sleeping.
3/4/2023 7:01:48 PM
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2767185 |
so I should plan on moving because some non-PIC is causing missed FLTs that (NT) +0/-0
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Author:PIC said could have been completed??
3/5/2023 1:59:30 PM
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2767186 |
so I should plan on moving because some non-PIC is causing missed FLTs that (NT) +0/-0
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Author:Yep
3/5/2023 2:40:41 PM
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Msg ID:
2767214 |
now we're back to the start. PIC is not the final authority (NT) +0/-0
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Author:to say GO
3/5/2023 7:47:24 PM
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2767226 |
now we're back to the start. PIC is not the final authority +0/-0
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Author:yes that's true
3/5/2023 9:30:50 PM
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and always has been. PIC responsibility starts once everybody agrees to go and are at the aircraft. |
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2767227 |
That means he doesn't have authority to initiate a flight since he needs +0/-0
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Author:the other two to initiate it also
3/5/2023 10:03:47 PM
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That means he is sharing operational control, by definition, with medical crewmembers, even though the PIC and the OCC specialist have already approved the flight and got the necessary flight release. |
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2767229 |
That means he doesn't have authority to initiate a flight since he needs +0/-0
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Author:no
3/5/2023 10:14:34 PM
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when a flight attentant calls in sick and it's not covered so they cancel the flight, does the flight attendant have operational control? nope. doesn't matter why there not on the aircraft, they're just not.
by definition lol |
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2767233 |
Not exactly what happens! They find a standby or extend someone to get it +0/-0
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Author:done! FA's don't cancel fligths
3/5/2023 10:38:21 PM
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and sit around and still get paid to sleep! They don't make weather decisions either! |
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2767231 |
That means he doesn't have authority to initiate a flight since he needs +0/-0
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Author:the pilot doesn't need med crew
3/5/2023 10:30:55 PM
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to "initiate" the flight. they just need to get on. if they don't, no point in going but hardly exercising operational control. ayfkm |
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2767234 |
"I'm not comfortable flying because it's windy" (NT) +0/-0
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Author:is an operational decision!
3/5/2023 10:41:22 PM
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2767235 |
"I'm not comfortable flying because it's windy" +0/-0
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Author:no it’s
3/5/2023 10:42:55 PM
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a passenger not getting on an aircraft |
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2767236 |
Except they aren't passengers! They are crewmembers! Getting paid to work (NT) +0/-0
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Author:on a helicoper air ambulance!
3/5/2023 10:44:10 PM
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2767238 |
Except they aren't passengers! They are crewmembers! Getting paid to work +0/-0
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Author:Single pilot
3/5/2023 11:01:02 PM
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No, they are not crew members. If they were they would be getting crew member training and recurrent training like a part 121 crew membe. medical people are passengers. |
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2767247 |
didn't call the flight crewmembers, but crewmembers! +0/-0
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Author:and the do get recurring training...
3/6/2023 12:10:37 AM
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...on NVGs operations
...on egress of patients/passengers
...on emergency shutdowns
...on aircraft equipment
...on loading/unloading patients
...on floatation devices
...on LZ safety/security responsibilities
...on and on and on and on!
All documented in FAA accepted crewmember training records.
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2767252 |
didn't call the flight crewmembers, but crewmembers! +0/-0
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Author:All documented
3/6/2023 2:40:37 AM
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passenger training records |
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2767253 |
didn't call the flight crewmembers, but crewmembers! +0/-0
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Author:Not one of those dumb things
3/6/2023 3:02:17 AM
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you mentioned has anything to do with the operation of an aircraft. |
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2767267 |
Acting as a trained required crewmember for HNVGO ops is nothing +0/-0
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Author:to do with operating an aircraft?
3/6/2023 9:33:16 AM
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what flight school did you graduate from? |
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2767269 |
Acting as a trained required crewmember for HNVGO ops is nothing +0/-0
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Author:putting some goggles on your head
3/6/2023 9:55:50 AM
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does not make somebody a crew member. the day a company began using goggles is not the day the nurse became a crew member. you're asking somebody to look outside the aircraft. hardly a crew member function. |
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2767270 |
Acting as a trained required crewmember for HNVGO ops is nothing +0/-0
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Author:the FAA does not recognize them
3/6/2023 10:01:58 AM
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as aircraft crew members. I won't either |
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2767340 |
Yeah, but they do! (NT) +0/-0
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Author:Anonymous
3/6/2023 10:33:48 PM
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2767375 |
Yeah, but they do! +0/-0
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Author:saying they do
3/7/2023 11:20:11 AM
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doesn't make it real. you do a little required safety training but they are passengers. |
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2767400 |
does your company's GOM describe the duties of medical +0/-0
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Author:folks on the aircraft?? if yes, then
3/7/2023 4:08:17 PM
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it does make it real. if the GOM doesn't mention medical folks or any of their duties or responsibilities, then maybe you might have a point.
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2767456 |
does your company's med crews do nothing +0/-0
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Author:but play on their phones from
3/8/2023 3:44:46 AM
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take off to landing? if so, you are carrying passengers |
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2767318 |
If it's "3-to-GO, 1-to-say-NO", who has the authority to say GO? +2/-0
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Author:Let's put this in perspective...
3/6/2023 5:43:51 PM
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You fly for an on-demand 135 operator. A rich guy calls and says he wants a helicopter to take him to the Super Bowl stadium. On the day of the game it's raining but well above your wx minimums so you're ready to go. The guy calls you and says he doesn't want to fly because of the weather.
Has he exercised operational control?
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2767341 |
Your perspective is a bit out of focus, you might need to check your +1/-0
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Author:perscription! Here's the scoop
3/6/2023 10:42:01 PM
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The guy in your scenerio is the customer. The customer is calling the certificate holder to fly him to the Super Bowl because the certificate holder holds out to the public to provide 1st class helicoper service from point A to point B, complete with a cabin attendant who will polish his shoes and serve him a fine Latte. The rich customer hires the certificate holder for that 1st class service because the certificate holder's 2nd tiered operational control person (the pilot) determined the flight could be completed. Then, the cabin attendant decides they don't want to go because they have a hot date later and call a NO for the flight, cancelling the flight the real customer contracted for.
You have the customer wrong in your example. The rich guy is the requesting hospital, not the medical crewmember.
Therefore, your perspective is very blurry and way out of focus! |
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2767347 |
Your perspective is a bit out of focus, you might need to check your +0/-0
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Author:the rich guy
3/7/2023 12:25:47 AM
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is a passenger...the medcrew are passengers. The FAR's don't mention customers. |
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2767348 |
dies the customer paying for it know there are other (NT) +0/-0
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Author:customers riding along on his dime then?
3/7/2023 12:50:00 AM
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2767343 |
The Rich Guy Still Wants to Go, So he Calls your (NT) +0/-0
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Author:competition, and they earn his business
3/6/2023 11:17:32 PM
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2767784 |
The Rich Guy Still Wants to Go, So he Calls your +0/-1
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Author:boring
3/10/2023 10:53:18 PM
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W TF ever. Can we all just go to bed now? |
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