| Msg ID: 2766458 |
When I used to fly twins ems +8/-7
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| Author:Redundant systems
2/26/2023 11:19:39 AM |
It is proven that redundant systems create a safer flight environment, provided the training is adequate. On our dead legs home we worked on pilot redundancy. What good is it if the pilot is not redundant? I taught my crew the basics of flight and all of them were able to "land it" within reason. (Prob Bend a skid) but survivable. They were able to engage and disengage the autopilot. And finally all of them knew the MSA. But that was my philosophy only, the company would not engage in conversation with me about the utility of this schooling. Anyone else out there creating safety redundancies like this?
If you're wondering whether this is safe or not, don't sweat the small stuff, I was an Instructor Pilot for many years. BZ |
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| Msg ID: 2766463 |
When I used to fly twins ems +6/-2
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| Author:Ex-Check Airmen
2/26/2023 11:56:33 AM Reply to: 2766458 |
Yes, back in the 90's we were allowed to do this, but now it's completly against any and all GOM or RFM mostly due to new insurance regulations. |
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| Msg ID: 2766473 |
When I used to fly twins ems +3/-1
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| Author:That’s not true
2/26/2023 12:51:54 PM Reply to: 2766463 |
It's not mentioned in any gom and it sure as hell isn in any flight manual. ayfkm |
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| Msg ID: 2766480 |
When I used to fly twins ems +2/-3
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| Author:If duals installed or not
2/26/2023 1:55:06 PM Reply to: 2766473 |
GOMs always state something along the lines of nobody but the pilot can manipulate the controls. I don't know if the OP is saying he was having somebody else fly but probably not a good idea to have line pilots teaching med crew to fly. |
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| Msg ID: 2766481 |
When I used to fly twins ems +5/-5
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| Author:Ok
2/26/2023 2:06:52 PM Reply to: 2766480 |
If medical personnel want to fly, get an FAA physical and go to a flight schoo!! Stay in your lane!! |
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| Msg ID: 2766528 |
When I used to fly twins ems +1/-1
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| Author:OP
2/26/2023 9:42:42 PM Reply to: 2766480 |
Oh come on. It's fun as well as safe |
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| Msg ID: 2766485 |
When I used to fly twins ems +10/-3
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| Author:Part 135 lays it out
2/26/2023 3:08:48 PM Reply to: 2766463 |
135.115 Manipulation of controls. No pilot in command may allow any person> to manipulate the flight controls of an aircraft< (a) A pilot employed by the certificate holder and qualified in the aircraft< (b) An authorized safety representative of the Administr |
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| Msg ID: 2766486 |
When I used to fly twins ems +2/-5
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| Author:It does say during a part 135 flight
2/26/2023 3:27:53 PM Reply to: 2766485 |
but I don't want to open that can of worms |
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| Msg ID: 2766500 |
When I used to fly twins ems +3/-2
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| Author:There's no can to open,
2/26/2023 5:41:59 PM Reply to: 2766486 |
Medical personnel on board equals part 135. |
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| Msg ID: 2766507 |
When I used to fly twins ems +0/-1
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| Author:true
2/26/2023 6:58:17 PM Reply to: 2766500 |
spatially disoriented |
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| Msg ID: 2766519 |
When I used to fly twins ems +1/-2
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| Author:No it doesn’t
2/26/2023 9:00:15 PM Reply to: 2766500 |
Med crew on board does NOT equal 135 |
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| Msg ID: 2766523 |
When I used to fly twins ems +1/-1
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| Author:since they are passengers
2/26/2023 9:12:15 PM Reply to: 2766519 |
it's 135 |
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| Msg ID: 2766558 |
Reading is FUNdamental... +2/-0
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| Author:the more you know.....
2/27/2023 9:59:53 AM Reply to: 2766519 |
§ 135.601 Applicability and definitions.(a) Applicability. This subpart prescribes the requirements applicable to each certificate holder conducting helicopter air ambulance operations. (b) Definitions. For purposes of this subpart, the following definitions apply: (1) Helicopter air ambulance operation means a flight, or sequence of flights, with a patient or medical personnel on board, for the purpose of medical transportation, by a part 135 certificate holder authorized by the Administrator to conduct helicopter air ambulance operations. A helicopter air ambulance operation includes, but is not limited to - (i) Flights conducted to position the helicopter at the site at which a patient or donor organ will be picked up. (ii) Flights conducted to reposition the helicopter after completing the patient, or donor organ transport. (iii) Flights initiated for the transport of a patient or donor organ that are terminated due to weather or other reasons. (2) Medical personnel means a person or persons with medical training, including but not limited to flight physicians, flight nurses, or flight paramedics, who are carried aboard a helicopter during helicopter air ambulance operations in order to provide medical care. (3) Mountainous means designated mountainous areas as listed in part 95 of this chapter. (4) Nonmountainous means areas other than mountainous areas as listed in part 95 of this chapter. |
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| Msg ID: 2766529 |
When I used to fly twins ems +1/-4
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| Author:OP
2/26/2023 9:44:13 PM Reply to: 2766485 |
FAKE NEWS. It's considered Part 91 if no patient onboard. In that case I can instruct the crew. |
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| Msg ID: 2766560 |
Reading is FUNdamental... +1/-1
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| Author:the more you know.....
2/27/2023 10:01:50 AM Reply to: 2766529 |
§ 135.601 Applicability and definitions.(a) Applicability. This subpart prescribes the requirements applicable to each certificate holder conducting helicopter air ambulance operations. (b) Definitions. For purposes of this subpart, the following definitions apply: (1) Helicopter air ambulance operation means a flight, or sequence of flights, with a patient or medical personnel on board, for the purpose of medical transportation, by a part 135 certificate holder authorized by the Administrator to conduct helicopter air ambulance operations. A helicopter air ambulance operation includes, but is not limited to - (i) Flights conducted to position the helicopter at the site at which a patient or donor organ will be picked up. (ii) Flights conducted to reposition the helicopter after completing the patient, or donor organ transport. (iii) Flights initiated for the transport of a patient or donor organ that are terminated due to weather or other reasons. (2) Medical personnel means a person or persons with medical training, including but not limited to flight physicians, flight nurses, or flight paramedics, who are carried aboard a helicopter during helicopter air ambulance operations in order to provide medical care. (3) Mountainous means designated mountainous areas as listed in part 95 of this chapter. (4) Nonmountainous means areas other than mountainous areas as listed in part 95 of this chapter. |
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| Msg ID: 2766564 |
Reading is FUNdamental... +0/-0
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| Author:OP
2/27/2023 10:13:53 AM Reply to: 2766560 |
Bottom line...teach your crew to hover and land. Be a man. |
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| Msg ID: 2766572 |
When I used to fly twins ems +0/-0
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| Author:Funny
2/27/2023 11:55:10 AM Reply to: 2766529 |
How FAA and NTSB say these RTB no patient on board crashes are 91. But then powers that be pick and choose what is and isn't to suit themselves |
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| Msg ID: 2766579 |
When I used to fly twins ems +0/-1
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| Author:Doesn’t matter what the NTSB says
2/27/2023 12:45:39 PM Reply to: 2766572 |
how would this be an advantage for anyone in any possible way |
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| Msg ID: 2766593 |
When I used to fly twins ems +0/-0
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| Author:Legal
2/27/2023 2:28:09 PM Reply to: 2766579 |
And Insurance dummy |
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| Msg ID: 2766604 |
When I used to fly twins ems +0/-1
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| Author:who gives a
2/27/2023 3:21:11 PM Reply to: 2766593 |
what the NTSB puts in a report. nobody, that's who |
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| Msg ID: 2766675 |
When I used to fly twins ems +1/-0
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| Author:Be
2/28/2023 11:01:30 AM Reply to: 2766458 |
careful doing that with anyone else on board! Not cool even with one passenger in the back. |
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| Msg ID: 2767027 |
When I used to fly twins ems +0/-0
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| Author:Nope
3/3/2023 1:03:42 PM Reply to: 2766458 |
135.115 Manipulation of controls.
No pilot in command may allow any person> to manipulate the flight controls of an aircraft< (a) A pilot employed by the certificate holder and qualified in the aircraft< (b) An authorized safety representative of the Administr |
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