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Msg ID: 2766264 Leonardo instructor pay +1/-0     
Author:Any insights?
2/24/2023 9:59:55 AM
3rd party recruiter is telling me I'm more than qualified to teach AW in Philly. Not one minute of experience in AW aircraft. I'm curious what the pay might be or whether to waste time applying. Currently make about 150k with a few OT days per month. Also had a 76 operator claim they can't find captains willing to work for $1750/day? What is the going pay in the Northeast?


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Msg ID: 2766268 Leonardo instructor pay +2/-2     
Author:Stay Away
2/24/2023 10:59:37 AM

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From Leonardo!!Garbage RW's & you also have to pay philly wage tax on top of your local if you live outside, state too!!

Effective dateResident rateNon-resident rate
July 1, 2021 3.8398% 3.4481%ng>


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Msg ID: 2766271 Leonardo instructor pay +7/-0     
Author:AW flyer - not by choice
2/24/2023 12:03:41 PM

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I was just there for training. They offered me a job too. What a flaming merry go round that place is. Yikes. I'd stay away also. 



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Msg ID: 2766276 Leonardo instructor pay +2/-2     
Author:I flew the 109
2/24/2023 1:23:41 PM

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Never been to Philly buy sure enjoyed the hell out of the helicopter. Gets a bad rap for support, too. Very rarely OOS for MX and we didn't even have a mechanic at the base.



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Msg ID: 2766282 Leonardo instructor pay +2/-1     
Author:Operated
2/24/2023 2:57:30 PM

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109 for six years and 3000 hours flight time.  Dispatch relilability was 98.4%. Good to have a mechanic look at it daily, keep the swash plate greased at 25 hours or after flying in rain (I know, what a deal), preflight well, stay ahead of things, operate it within its envelopes.  Had very good SPIFR experience with it.  

Not a machine to fly and forget but knowing that is really all a reputable operation needs to keep it going quite nicely.  



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Msg ID: 2766293 Leonardo instructor pay +0/-2     
Author:Operated
2/24/2023 3:55:14 PM

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109 for six years and 3000 hours flight time.  Dispatch relilability was 98.4%. Good to have a mechanic look at it daily, keep the swash plate greased at 25 hours or after flying in rain (I know, what a deal), preflight well, stay ahead of things, operate it within its envelopes.  Had very good SPIFR experience with it.  

Not a machine to fly and forget but knowing that is really all a reputable operation needs to keep it going quite nicely.  



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Msg ID: 2766289 Why don't you find another job? +0/-4     
Author:Anonymous
2/24/2023 3:16:50 PM

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Your employers obviously don't think much of your advice.



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Msg ID: 2766641 Leonardo instructor pay +0/-0     
Author:Anonymous
2/27/2023 8:39:17 PM

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In case you have noticed, pilots are in short supply at most places.  When I retired from there, I was 2 weeks on, two weeks off making $135,000 a year and home every night.  During my two weeks off, I made enough contacts to fly for several companies in the Northeast making $800-1000 per day.  Don't know what it is like now, but it's an employees market so see what they are offering. It was at the time the best job I ever ever had. 



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Msg ID: 2766573 Leonardo instructor pay +1/-1     
Author:Anonymous
2/27/2023 12:10:17 PM

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Probably start in the low $100,000's.  If you think that is low keep in mind you will be pretty much generating no revenue for the first 4-6 months as you learn the aircraft and learn how to teach an keep records.  Plan on spending time studying, shadowing other instructors, and being observed teaching.  Once you are qualified to teach in something, then it will be a matter of adding qualifications such as examiner, specialty courses, and to instruct specific customers.  As you add qualifications your pay will increase.  

 



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Msg ID: 2766581 Leonardo instructor pay +0/-0     
Author:“Keep in mind”
2/27/2023 12:58:35 PM

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or "point being" alert. did you just make that whole thing up because it sounds like you did



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Msg ID: 2766594 Leonardo instructor pay +0/-0     
Author:I don't know what the pay is and
2/27/2023 2:29:24 PM

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"keep in mind" this is what they do at FSI so I'm sure it's exactly the same.



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Msg ID: 2766663 Leonardo instructor pay +0/-0     
Author:So many comments, so little knowledge
2/28/2023 9:03:31 AM

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They are not "the same" Flight Safety is not an OEM and does not build aircraft.  All they have are simulators. Leonardo, Bell, and Eurocopter make aircraft.  Instructors for those companies may also do production flying, demos, ferry aircraft, and provide offsite training.  If you want to actually fly, you may have to be creative at Flight Safety.  if you want to actually fly at Leonardo, Bell or Eurocpter, it's not rally an issue.  



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Msg ID: 2766619 If you are hearing sounds as you read the post, +0/-0     
Author:you are hallucinating.
2/27/2023 5:34:03 PM

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If you are on drugs, you need to stop. If you are not on them, you need to start.



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Msg ID: 2766623 If you are hearing sounds as you read the post, +0/-0     
Author:point being
2/27/2023 6:39:05 PM

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you will be learning how to teach and keep records and plan on observing and being observed then the big buck will follow lol



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Msg ID: 2766638 If you are hearing sounds as you read the post, +0/-0     
Author:APC
2/27/2023 8:25:00 PM

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You dork up documentaction and the FAA, TC, EASA etc. voids the training you gave and you have to call the pilot back and tell them they need to be retrained.  If you are providing training and checking for a Part 135 company and they have an accident or incident, you better have your training records in order.  FAA Part 142 is a real thing, as real as Part 135 and Part 121.  Your post demonstrates the precise problem people who think just because they can fly an aircraft means they can teach that they can teach.  Yes, as you develop a knowledge base and learn your job pay raises follow.  You can't give checkrides until you have been an instructor for at least one year, and the FAA limits the number of examiners.  You can't be an instructor/check pilot for a Part 135 company until you go through their training and checking program and take an annual checkrides under their certificate. 

 



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Msg ID: 2766645 If you are hearing sounds as you read the post, +0/-0     
Author:oooooohhhh
2/27/2023 9:03:43 PM

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all the training!! voided!!!! I bet Agusta just throws all the paperwork in a box lol. I was at a hospital pad last night and parked outside the lines. Turn me in.



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Msg ID: 2766646 If you are hearing sounds as you read the post, +0/-0     
Author:FAA part 142
2/27/2023 9:13:36 PM

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is a real thing lol wut



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Msg ID: 2766656 If you are hearing sounds as you read the post, +0/-0     
Author:APC
2/28/2023 4:54:52 AM

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Pilots that come to a Part 142 training center are often confused.  They think a FAA Part 142 training center is like a the Part 61 flight school where they received their training for their private or commercial.  At a Part 61 flight school the CFI can endorse any training within the limits of their flight instructor certificate.  At a Part 142 training center, students have to enroll in an approved course and all the training has to be conducted under that syllabus.  So unless it specifically states in the Part 142 approval that annual refresher training can be used for example to satisfy the requirements of BFR, or that the instrument training can be used for an IPC, don't ask your instructor if they can "just sign you off for.... "

Companies offer a list of approved courses under their Part 142 certificate, and it varies from training center to trainimy center.  If its not on the approved list, the company can't provide the training.  Things that may not be approved may include, BFR, IPC, LOS, Incemental Checking, SIC to PIC upgrade, Commercial to ATP prep during annual recurrent training, endorsement to take the CFII checkride, or foreign license validation.  Those are just a few.  



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Msg ID: 2766635 Leonardo instructor pay +0/-0     
Author:Anthony Peter Coleman
2/27/2023 8:07:14 PM

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Teaching and flying aren't the same thing.  CAE, FSI, Leonardo, Bell, Eurocopter etc. know that.  They know they won't be getting anything useful from a new instructor for at least 4-6 months.  So if you initially want to make a six figure salary and have virtually no responsibilities other than learning to do your job it's a good deal.      The only other place in aviation that pays you to learn is probably the military.  After awhile though they are going to expect you to be able to explain some things to students from different backgrounds and cultures and teach beyond just reading off a PowerPoint if you are going to have any credibility.  You go fly EMS offshore, untily etc. you will probably be off running in less than a month. Instructing at a place like Leonardo and after a year you are still learning how to do your job.  

 



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