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Once age 60, then 65, proposed 67 +5/-1
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| Author:Up and up, all ARBITARY criteria!
2/11/2023 8:26:05 PM |
Used to be, for safety, 60 was the limit for Part 121. Then, when they started getting short of pilots, it went up to 65. Now, as we are getting shorter, 67 is being proposed.
All arbitrary number!
The limit had more to do with making room for the bottom then it did about safety at the top! Even ALPA opposes the increase in age because of it causing a stagnation for junior pilots not being able to upgrade. Soon, you'll also see ICAO follow suit and up their requirements as well.
BTW, did you know, currently, you cannot be a pilot flying single-pilot commerically under ICAO rules if you are older than 60. Are there any HEMS or fixed-wing Air Ambulance operators crossing the border? Hope nit! Because it arbitrarily unsafe to fly over 60 apparently! |
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| Msg ID: 2764974 |
Meant to link this: +0/-0
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| Author:Bill in the Senate
2/11/2023 8:26:49 PM Reply to: 2764972 |
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/4607/ |
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| Msg ID: 2764975 |
Let's try again: +0/-0
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| Author:Anonymous
2/11/2023 8:28:15 PM Reply to: 2764972 |
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/4607/text |
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| Msg ID: 2764981 |
Look, a real medical journal study showing age limitations based on age are +4/-1
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| Author:nothing but pure age discrimination!
2/11/2023 9:08:25 PM Reply to: 2764972 |
"Follow the science", the modernist chants! OK, there! There's real science.
I say, "show me the science" , if you are promoting a mandatory retirement age that is not simply arbitrarily adopted!
&nb
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| Msg ID: 2765011 |
Provided by the same people who brought you the vaccine and COVID! (NT) +1/-2
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| Author:Seems legit
2/12/2023 11:12:45 AM Reply to: 2764981 |
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| Msg ID: 2765082 |
Nope, not this researcher. Nothing to do with covid or vaccine research! (NT) +1/-0
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| Author:Anonymous
2/13/2023 12:38:56 AM Reply to: 2765011 |
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| Msg ID: 2765220 |
Also the same people that eliminated small pox (NT) +1/-0
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| Author:and polio...just sayin.
2/14/2023 2:42:28 PM Reply to: 2765011 |
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| Msg ID: 2764983 |
Another real study: Conclusion, age factor was insignificant! +4/-1
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| Author:Show me the science union man!
2/11/2023 9:15:25 PM Reply to: 2764972 |
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11846182/
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| Msg ID: 2764984 |
Oh look, even more real science! Age is not a factor! +3/-1
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| Author:(unless you're trying to blow smoke)
2/11/2023 9:24:39 PM Reply to: 2764972 |
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16856360/
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| Msg ID: 2764991 |
Once age 60, then 65, proposed 67 +1/-2
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| Author:ChatGPT trainer
2/12/2023 12:55:28 AM Reply to: 2764972 |
Stay calm, we are busy training the AI. Soon, this problem will be solved as soon as we perfect the AI pilot. We are still in early stages. As soon as figure out the ghost breaking and the windshield wiper issue, all will be good, no need for human pilot. sincerely, ChatGPT |
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| Msg ID: 2765003 |
Once age 60, then 65, proposed 67 +8/-2
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| Author:Depends
2/12/2023 10:16:09 AM Reply to: 2764972 |
I knew a HAA pilot who flew till age 80 and could have gone another couple of year he was so sharp. I know a few 50 somethings who should retire today. It's all about fitness and attitude. |
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| Msg ID: 2765010 |
We get it, you’re old! Should have made better choices if you (NT) +3/-2
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| Author:HAVE to still work.,
2/12/2023 11:11:20 AM Reply to: 2764972 |
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| Msg ID: 2765179 |
We get it, you’re old! Should have made better choices if you +0/-0
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| Author:Really?
2/13/2023 9:54:43 PM Reply to: 2765010 |
Your turn is coming and I bet your chances of being like everyone else working as long as possible as a pilot will be exactly like the norm. We hear about pilots cashing in early and taking up other occupations but very few do so successfully irrespective of their insistence concerning their superior intellect and capabilities. The one that cracks me up most is a pilot professing he'd have become a neuro surgeon if not for his helicopter passion. Really? |
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| Msg ID: 2765266 |
We get it, you’re old! Should have made better choices if you +0/-0
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| Author:How do you
2/15/2023 6:47:19 AM Reply to: 2765179 |
cash in early. I haven't heard about it |
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| Msg ID: 2765181 |
I didn't choose the set of politicians who drove inflation through the roof (NT) +0/-0
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| Author:someone else did!
2/13/2023 10:23:24 PM Reply to: 2765010 |
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| Msg ID: 2765018 |
Once age 65 and 59 or less +2/-0
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| Author:PT121
2/12/2023 12:53:47 PM Reply to: 2764972 |
Yes, under part 121 the age went to to 65 but one of the two Pilots still have to be 59 or less. |
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| Msg ID: 2765097 |
for international ops, not domestic. which is why ALPA opposes it +0/-2
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| Author:(their thinking b4 vast shortages)
2/13/2023 8:44:45 AM Reply to: 2765018 |
so they painted the.selves I to a corner because they loosley vailed their opposition under a safety issue when ot really was about a flowing seniority issue. that why you junior inexperienced low seniority types are quickly sitting right seat on international routes these days. senior guys are having to bid domestically to evade ICAOs unsupported and arbitrary max age (60) rule. it'll change soon, just watch! |
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| Msg ID: 2765111 |
freedom is an illusion +0/-2
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| Author:Anonymous
2/13/2023 10:34:52 AM Reply to: 2764972 |
and liberty is a lie just words to sow confusion while they scam us on the sly |
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| Msg ID: 2765202 |
freedom is an illusion +1/-0
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| Author:it could be said that it's a relative
2/14/2023 10:38:19 AM Reply to: 2765111 |
term. example: you could stand in front of the WH as long as you want holding a sign that says "Joe Biden's son has a laptop and it's from hell and he eats babies. do your own research!". you could could go to the Kremlin and hold a sign in red square saying "Putin sucks" and be carted off to jail in about 2 minutes. tell me again how freedom in this country is a lie. |
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| Msg ID: 2765276 |
Once age 60, then 65, proposed 67 +0/-0
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| Author:cheap
2/15/2023 8:51:12 AM Reply to: 2764972 |
I wonder if the feds will raise the “120” rule? |
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| Msg ID: 2765403 |
Once age 60, then 65, proposed 67 +0/-0
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| Author:Lop sided Sid
2/16/2023 5:34:19 AM Reply to: 2764972 |
Actually it was age 62. The new proposal is tied to full Social Security retirement age. |
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