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Msg ID: 2764578 Another Pilot Gone +32/-9     
Author:Heart
2/8/2023 1:41:55 PM

One of our line pilots, 43, just failed medical 3 weeks after Pfizer booster. Currently suffering from myocarditis diagnosed by late stage gallolidium enhancment and severe bradycardia which will require a pacemaker. 

 

to all you in this profession who are for these vaccines. You better think long and hard about if your precious shots are worth your career. Why do I say this? because that line pilot is ME and I'm the one who was all for the vaccine. I admit, even I came in here knocking the anti shot people posting. Well, my foots in my mouth now. 

 



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Msg ID: 2764579 Another Pilot Gone +19/-4     
Author:Xphier
2/8/2023 2:10:18 PM

Reply to: 2764578

Snap... Thanks for your honesty and not being afraid to tell the truth..



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Msg ID: 2764585 Another Pilot Gone +2/-4     
Author:Retired
2/8/2023 2:50:07 PM

Reply to: 2764579

Did your employer require the shot ?  Hold CEO's accountable, manditory jail time for all responsible - forcing Employee's... hold harmless protection doesn't extend to non medical people.



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Msg ID: 2764592 Another Pilot Gone +6/-4     
Author:OP
2/8/2023 3:25:45 PM

Reply to: 2764585

Employer did require, and I received the first 2 without much issue. The Booster was on my own terms. What I have learned is there is no help for anyone vaccine injured. They're completley protected in every way. Since I was a doubter, I can say now that until us "pro vaccine" people start waking up. These will continue to harm and be covered up. I'm about as Left as you can get on this Vax subject, and I am admitting I was drastically wrong and close minded about it. 



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Msg ID: 2764604 Counterpoint +18/-2     
Author:As a doubter
2/8/2023 4:06:46 PM

Reply to: 2764592

I myself am a black man, and an avid seeker of truth. I was completely against the jabs until my wife died.

See how easy that was to say? I'm not saying you're full of it, I'm just saying it's an anonymous forum, anyone can say anything.



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Msg ID: 2764607 Counterpoint +1/-2     
Author:Yea?
2/8/2023 4:20:07 PM

Reply to: 2764604

Just like if we asked you what side you lean on? While def a extreme lib, you would post you're right / cons just to be a hypocrit?

 

makes sense. We all know by now everyone who downvotes these vaxx topics is a LIB. 



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Msg ID: 2764640 Counterpoint +5/-1     
Author:Cha cha cha changes
2/8/2023 9:51:27 PM

Reply to: 2764604

I got the vaccine in July 2021.

Six months later I realized that I was trans.

Now I realize the only way for me to be my true self is to go to the airlines.

 

I blame Pfizer.



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Msg ID: 2764741 Another Pilot Gone +0/-1     
Author:Double vaccinated and boosted
2/10/2023 9:14:04 AM

Reply to: 2764592

Also, probably not a great idea to mock Jesus. 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=L4OtkPvKfsU 

so Take that experimental drug... 



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Msg ID: 2764662 Another Pilot Gone +0/-1     
Author:why would anybody
2/9/2023 9:38:27 AM

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be afraid



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Msg ID: 2764581 Another Pilot Gone +7/-3     
Author:Be honest
2/8/2023 2:40:35 PM

Reply to: 2764578

What kind of physical shape are you in? I'm not pro vaccine but I also think its too easy for people who were already in poor health to blame their problems on the vaccine.



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Msg ID: 2764584 Another Pilot Gone +3/-3     
Author:Hmm
2/8/2023 2:45:44 PM

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This didn't happen


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Msg ID: 2764590 Another Pilot Gone +3/-3     
Author:OP
2/8/2023 3:21:39 PM

Reply to: 2764581

Good Health. BMI 15% and workout 2-3 times a week. First 2 shots were mandatory for work, and honestly I was getting them anyways As I believed in them. The booster was my doing, and my choice. I had no prior health related concerns and the only negative I had was a marginally low test level. The first 2 shots were without any issues at all Minus the 2-3 days sick feeling after and arm pain.

 

everyone reading this can make their own opinions, I'm not on here to sway anyone, but I wanted to stand up and admit that I was one of the ones always commenting negative on the vaxxx postings as I believed in the shots. I apologize and now I'm facing the truth about them. I didn't think it could happen to anyone, let alone me, but yet here I am.

 



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Msg ID: 2764596 Another Pilot Gone +2/-2     
Author:Just
2/8/2023 3:30:59 PM

Reply to: 2764590

Like I have been saying for 2 years that the masks didn't work either. If they did we had Lock downs MANDATED Mask, YET it kept spreading!! I told my wife this, she's had all shots, Infusion. She's in excellent health. I take BP,Cholesteral meds. We both got a sinus cold last week, she was a alot more sicker then I was. She also had a recurrance of shingles last fall. I told her the Jab weakens your immunity for that too. Her sister's a nurse & is over the top on this BS. I've been travleing all over the USA & S.America since 2020. only had to different colds last 2+ yrs.



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Msg ID: 2764593 Another Pilot Gone +1/-1     
Author:Utility flyer
2/8/2023 3:27:46 PM

Reply to: 2764578

 I am thankful that in the utility trade very few companies required any jabs. The DOI/ USFS. did require all contractors to make their pilots get it but not many did and the DOI didn't check much that I'm aware.



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Msg ID: 2764595 Another Pilot Gone +2/-2     
Author:I’ve seen different
2/8/2023 3:30:56 PM

Reply to: 2764593

Most of the larger USFS contractors did mandate their employees to get it and even put a time stamp on it. Big Orange, Yellow, Col, etc... all had mandates, especially for the ones doing OCONUS work. Some of the pilots held out to no consequences once the mandates were dropped, but I personally know many many many pilots who took this vaccine out of being forced too, not because they wanted too. Which in my opinion, is criminal.



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Msg ID: 2764597 Another Pilot Gone +9/-2     
Author:CO-worker
2/8/2023 3:35:05 PM

Reply to: 2764595

 female younger then me in good health had ALL the jabs, got CV-19, just got over it & ended up in ER W/Double pneumonia!!!  Pfizer had $22 Billion in cash end of yr. from this CV-19 crap. A hi exec has been caught on tape saying how their jab is affecting female mensural too.!! Experimental drug, does NOT meet FDA standards for a Vaccine either.



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Msg ID: 2764598 Another Pilot Gone +4/-2     
Author:Curious One.
2/8/2023 3:40:39 PM

Reply to: 2764578

Would be interesting to know how many others printed up a fake Covid card and uploaded to the company site to save their jobs. I did. No regrets.. 



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Msg ID: 2764599 Causal or not? +0/-1     
Author:----
2/8/2023 3:42:35 PM

Reply to: 2764578

The average onset of Myocarditis or Pericarditis is 3.8 days +/- 4 days - It is POSSIBLE something else caused it, but of course, it is also possisble the vaccine either contributed or caused it - 

That said, the average onset of symptoms is within days and it happens to young males and it's extremely rare...

Development of myocarditis and pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination in adult population: A systematic review - PMC (nih.gov)

The incidence of this is "documented" to be extremely extremely rare ... and has primarily affected 

Again, this is what they say

The pooled incidence of myocarditis and pericarditis extrapolated from original studies is 0.001% and 0.0004%, respectively. In the original studies, nearly all the cases of myocarditis and pericarditis were mild. Chest pain and fever were the most common presenting symptoms.

Conclusion

Myocarditis and pericarditis after the COVID-19 vaccine have been reported more in young adult males and are most likely to occur after the second dose of mRNA vaccines. The presentation is mild and the majority of the patients recover either completely or partially.



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Msg ID: 2764610 Causal or not? +8/-4     
Author:Youre
2/8/2023 4:49:23 PM

Reply to: 2764599

Once again, relying on what the BIG PHARMA are telling you.....

if you personally know 5-6 people in you OWN circle that have experienced myocarditis / pericarditis after their vaccine, then your statistics are wrong.

 

you're believing the same people who are telling you these shots are safe.....

 

wake the heck up.



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Msg ID: 2764641 Causal or not? +4/-0     
Author:I get
2/8/2023 9:57:49 PM

Reply to: 2764599

it, plus I've read all the opposite declarations.  Me?  Had the normal two plus one booster.  Currently thinking getting further COVID vaccines isn't worth the risk.

I choose to assume the OP is possibly real and telling the truth.  Prove me wrong, no problem, this forum is just all about viewpoints and potentials.



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Msg ID: 2764602 Another Pilot Gone +9/-3     
Author:OP
2/8/2023 4:03:51 PM

Reply to: 2764578

Forgot to mention on HOW I failed medical.

My BP reading was elevated, but my PR was only 52. Even tho this was a 2nd class my AME listened to my heart and said he heard an Murmmer and decided to run a EKG. The EKG was not "part of the medical" this was something seperate, but the EKG showed I was def having some sort of cardiac issue. First question my AME asked was if I have had the vaccine recently. Yes the "booster" and he just shook his head and let out an old man sigh. He sat down and we chatted and he made me aware of multiple people in his practice that have had a wide array of new issues popping up that were medically disqualifying, some as young as 19.
AME couldn't legally issue after results so got deferral, and subsequent OKC sent me the letter.

Followup Cardiologist appointment and testing which included the Cardiac MRI showed the myocarditis. 

the entire time i was not feeling bad, sick, etc...just a little tired. So all of this caught me off guard.



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Msg ID: 2764642 Another Pilot Gone +0/-0     
Author:Good
2/8/2023 10:01:57 PM

Reply to: 2764602

luck getting the nflammation under control.



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Msg ID: 2764613 Another Pilot Gone (NT) +3/-5     
Author:Post your name. Much more credible!
2/8/2023 5:26:02 PM

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Msg ID: 2764619 Another Pilot Gone +9/-3     
Author:Cheap
2/8/2023 6:11:27 PM

Reply to: 2764613

I hope all you people who say there is no problem with the shots keep getting them. There are plenty of 250 hour R-22 pilots waiting for your seat.



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Msg ID: 2764636 Another Pilot Gone +1/-2     
Author:ain’t no 250 hour r22 pilot
2/8/2023 9:05:11 PM

Reply to: 2764619

taking anybody's seat are you stupid



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Msg ID: 2764639 Another Pilot Gone +2/-1     
Author:Truth
2/8/2023 9:45:31 PM

Reply to: 2764636

Better up your experience cause even at 2000 hrs now you hardly getting peanuts...



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Msg ID: 2764651 Another Pilot Gone +0/-1     
Author:Anonymous
2/9/2023 7:24:33 AM

Reply to: 2764636

all depends on what her logbook says



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Msg ID: 2764679 Might you have had these complications without the vaccination? +2/-2     
Author:olderendirt
2/9/2023 12:17:59 PM

Reply to: 2764578
Might you have had these complications without the vaccination? How does your situation relate to others? In other words, is there a probable relationship of your outcome to others? POSTED ON AUGUST 18, 2021 BY ZACH Correlation Does Not Imply Causation: 5 Real-World Examples The phrase “correlation does not imply causation” is often used in statistics to point out that correlation between two variables does not necessarily mean that one variable causes the other to occur. To better understand this phrase, consider the following real-world examples. Example 1: Ice Cream Sales & Shark Attacks If we collect data for monthly ice cream sales and monthly shark attacks around the United States each year, we would find that the two variables are highly correlated. Does this mean that consuming ice cream causes shark attacks? Not quite. The more likely explanation is that more people consume ice cream and get in the ocean when it’s warmer outside, which explains why these two variables are so highly correlated. Although ice cream sales and shark attacks are highly correlated, one does not cause the other. Example 2: Master’s Degrees vs. Box Office Revenue If we collect data for the total number of Master’s degrees issued by universities each year and the total box office revenue generated by year, we would find that the two variables are highly correlated. Does this mean that issuing more Master’s degrees is causing the box office revenue to increase each year? Not quite. The more likely explanation is that the global population has been increasing each year, which means more Master’s degrees are issued each year and the sheer number of people attending movies each year are both increasing in roughly equal amounts. Although these two variables are correlated, one does not cause the other. Example 3: Pool Drownings vs. Nuclear Energy Production If we collect data for the total number of pool drownings each year and the total amount of energy produced by nuclear power plants each year, we would find that the two variables are highly correlated. Does this mean that increased pool drownings are somehow causing more nuclear energy to be produced? Not exactly. The more likely explanation is that global population has been increasing, which means more people are drowning in pools and nuclear energy production is becoming more viable each year which explains why it has increased. Although these two variables are highly correlated, one does not cause the other. Example 4: Measles Cases vs. Marriage Rate If we collect data for the total number of measles cases in the U.S. each year and the marriage rate each year, we would find that the two variables are highly correlated. Does this mean that reduced measles cases is causing lower marriage rates? Not exactly. Instead, the two variables are independent – modern medicine is causing measles cases to drop and fewer people are getting married due to various reasons each year. Although these two variables are highly correlated, one does not cause the other. Example 5: High School Graduates vs. Pizza Consumption If we collect data for the total number of high school graduates and total pizza consumption in the U.S. each year, we would find that the two variables are highly correlated. Does this mean that an increased number of high school graduates is leading to more pizza consumption in the United States? Not quite. The more likely explanation is that U.S. population has been increasing over time, which means that the number of people receiving a high school degree and the total pizza being consumed are both increasing as population increases. Although these two variables are correlated, one does not cause the other.


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Msg ID: 2764684 Might you have had these complications without the vaccination? +0/-0     
Author:Keep trying
2/9/2023 1:35:42 PM

Reply to: 2764679

To justify taking these shots lib. 



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Msg ID: 2764685 Might you have had these complications without the vaccination? +1/-0     
Author:My big terrible side effect
2/9/2023 1:39:53 PM

Reply to: 2764684

no covid. 



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Msg ID: 2764692 You don't know, you can't know that a particular adverse reaction was  +0/-0     
Author:olderendirt
2/9/2023 2:18:56 PM

Reply to: 2764685

You don't know, you can't know that a particular adverse reaction was directly caused by the vaccination. You know, like I found a single $100 bill on the sidewalk. The $100 wasn't there because of the sidewalk's existence, nor was it there because of the time of day, the weather or the color of my shoes. The money was there because it was there and nowhere else. My finding it and the bill's existence implies no rule of being other than it was there and nowhere else.

The public health stats kept by public health agencies demonstrate that the vaccination does not prevent infections but it does reduce the severity by 73% reducing the probability that a vaccinated person would be sick enough to require in-patient hospital treatment- like respirators. Y



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Msg ID: 2764693 You don't know, you can't know that a particular adverse reaction was  +0/-0     
Author:Your opinion doesn’t matter
2/9/2023 2:26:04 PM

Reply to: 2764692

Since you claim to be old as dirt, you're all for the shot since a paper cut would likely have you bleed out now with your paper thin see thru skin.



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Msg ID: 2764695 You don't know, you can't know that a particular adverse reaction was  +3/-0     
Author:OP
2/9/2023 2:46:33 PM

Reply to: 2764692

Except that I can as 3 different cardiologists and an electropysiologist all have stated this condition is directly caused by the MRNA vaccine. Once you under go a cardiac biopsy, and the lab results confirm your cells are being destroyed by your bodies own immune system due to the spike protein expressing itself on your cardiac cells, where it never should be, I think you'd change your tune. 

You're so close minded that you deny everything, and I was one of those people, until this happened to me, and I did a complete 180. This is my luck from being one of the non believers.



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Msg ID: 2764700 You don't know, you can't know that a particular adverse reaction was  +0/-1     
Author:I would say there is about a
2/9/2023 3:31:33 PM

Reply to: 2764695

100% chance you made the whole thing up bro



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Msg ID: 2764703 You don't know, you can't know that a particular adverse reaction was  +0/-0     
Author:what about the d dimers
2/9/2023 3:41:04 PM

Reply to: 2764700

let's hear more about the dimers



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Msg ID: 2764705 You don't know, you can't know that a particular adverse reaction was  +0/-0     
Author:You
2/9/2023 3:50:43 PM

Reply to: 2764703

Don't even know what that is moron



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Msg ID: 2764706 You don't know, you can't know that a particular adverse reaction was  +0/-0     
Author:Yur right
2/9/2023 4:02:04 PM

Reply to: 2764705

so please educate me on the dimer thing



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Msg ID: 2765956 You don't know, you can't know that a particular adverse reaction was  +0/-0     
Author:New IP Guy
2/20/2023 8:10:20 PM

Reply to: 2764695

I get the impression that you are genuine and sincere. There is always the possibility that I am wrong, and you are not(genuine and sincere). The New IP Guy applauds you, for what it's worth.

So says the New IP Guy. See replies above for the rest of the spiel. And no, I didn't wrongly spell spiel.  



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Msg ID: 2764704 Might you have had these complications without the vaccination? +1/-1     
Author:RTAGer
2/9/2023 3:42:46 PM

Reply to: 2764679

In which one of your examples did someone inject an unapproved vaccine?

a much better correlation example would be

smoking to lung cancer 

or

working around asbestos to lung cancer

 



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Msg ID: 2764680 Another Pilot Gone +1/-1     
Author:oh no
2/9/2023 12:48:51 PM

Reply to: 2764578

not the dreaded late stage gallolidium enhancment. anything but late stage gallolidium enhancment



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