don't NJSP have to take drug test??? answer UNION!!!

I'm asking because I just don't know the answer. 
question: are flight attendants required to undertake drug testing and alcohol breathalyzer tests and bottle to throttle rules? 

https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-14/chapter-I/subchapter-G/part-120

if both the nurse and paramedic suddenly dropped dead, it would have no impact on the safety of a flight. That's probably why.

I'm not allowed to complete an NVG landing without their help! And I can't land unaided without prior supervisor approval. I'll just have to wait until I run out of gas.

Sounds a lot like a safety sensitive required crewmember to me.

the FAA thinks in FAR Part 120. 

Your opinion has no value in the matter.

Try to keep up.

governed by the FAR's.  They are "medical personnel" in part 135 and if properly trained do not have to be briefed as pax under part 135. 

They are not listed as "safety sensitive" personnel under part 120 so they do not have alcohol/drug testing requirements under part 120.

The FAA has no authority to govern their conduct other than as passengers.

You can call them crew members, you can call them flight crew if you want.  This is America.  You can say what you want, that doesn't change your status under the FAR's.  If you are seated in an exit row on a B737 you can call yourself a crew member, nobody cares...and you can drink alcohol while you're doing it.

If you're really good at Call of Duty you can call yourself a combat veteran...you still don't qualify for a VA benefits.

This stuff really isn't that hard.

they are, in fact, "crewmember" under the definition of that term in FAR 1. it doesn't matter what you think, the FAA defines them as such. read the definition of "crewmember" in FAR 1. read it again if you need to. they are crewmembers. 

Except my company, which is a "person" according to FAR part 1, says they are a passenger. Our flight manefest even tracks them as passengers. 

in the exit row on that B737. 

Now the question is where in the rest of the FAR's are these "crewmembers" mentioned/regulated in any fashion? 

The only place you will see them mentioned is in part 135 where they are labeled "medical personnel"...not crewmembers, not medical crew members or even medical crew.

So there you have it.  FAR part 1 is not a dictionary to be used when writing memos or making name tags.  Its purpose is to define terms used in the FAR's.  Now where in the FAR's are these "crewmembers" mentioned.

Once again, if you want to put something on your nametag or signature line have at it.  You can be a "crew member" or even a flightcrew member.  Nobody cares.  You can call yourself a doctor..as long as you don't try to practice as one.

do they need a medical? no. now shut the hell up

Why does it bother you so much that officially you are a passenge?  

You still can walk around with a flight suit on and have the tags and stickers. No one cares. Spend some of this energy into being better medical personnel. 

are certified and governed by the FAR's.  They are also required crew members on many commercial aircraft carrying passengers.  They are considered safety-sensitive employess and subject to part 120 reguirements for drug/alcohol testing.

Apples, oranges.  If you wanted to be an orange...you should have gone to orange school.

are you telling us about flight attendants and oranges

I fly NVGs all the time without medical personnel wearing NVGs. 

1. For NVG currency medical personnel are prohibited from being on the aircraft because they are considered passengers. I safely land the aircraft. 
2. When there is a patient on board, I safely land the aircraft with NVGs when the medical personnel are working on the patient. Medical personnel are considered passengers. 
3. I Ferry and move aircraft all of the time without medical personnel on board while wearing NVGs. 

Medical personnel are passengers. Get over it and spend some time on medical forum improving your medical skills. Better yet l, go and get your pilot license if you want to be a member of a flight crew. 

If you are flying an aircraft where the NVG Supplement to the RFM requires at least one other person on goggles to operate below 300'AGL,or takeoff and land to unimproved areas, then they are part of a safety sensitive requirement, yes? 

Part 91 and 135 requires you to follow the RFM, placards, and OPSPECs.  For instance, in my aircraft's RFM supplement, there is a crewmember requirement (required crewmember) to operate to an unimproved site.  Required crewmember for a safety-related critical function, I would add!  To be a crewmember, you are more than a passenger!   To use NVGs, a crewmember must be TRAINED by the certificate holder.   

--quote--

RFM Supplement

Night Vision Imaging System (NVIS) Supplemental Lighting

Additional crewmember use of NVG during single pilot operations into and out of unimproved sites:

Landing:  Additional crewmember shall be equipped with and use NVG during the landing to assist in obstacle identification and clearing

Takeoff:  Additional crewmembers should use NVG during takeoff from unimproved sites to assist in obstacle identification and clearance, if operational considerations (i.e., patient status, etc) permit.

--unquote--

FAR 91.117 Alcohol and Drugs is a regulation for crewmembers, not just flight crewmembers.

Since the HNVGO to an unimproved landing demands a required crewmembrer shall be used in addition to the flight crewmember, and not should be used, it demonstrates clearly the crewmember is there to provide direct safety-sensitive function to the operation. 

is not relevant to the discussion.  You are not a safety sensitive employee, you are not subject to FAA regulation other than that which applies to all passengers.

Be careful what you wish for.

A crewmember!   FAR 1.1 clearly defines crewmember!  

   "Crewmember means a person assigned to perform duty in an aircraft during flight time."

Where do you come up with them just being passengers?   The patient is a passenger, not the medical crewmember!

FAR 91.17 applies to crewmembers, which includes medical crewmembers assigned to perform duty in an aircraft during flight time!

Learn how to think, that's all you need.

Are pilots forced to do what medical flight crew members tell them? Are medical flight crew members authorized operational control when they decline the flight? 

Make the medical crew members meet aviation medical standards. I would bet most of them suffer from depression and couldnt pass an aviation medical flight physical. How many suffer from suicidal thoughts? How many have tried to commit suicide? Would those medical flight crew members be disqualified i/a/w aviation medical standards?

As a aviation professional protect your certificate!

... or find myself being "removed from the program as not being a good fit"

IOWs, "I'm your operational control worry, or you'll find youself fired!"

When my company stops counting you as a passenger, I will consider you crew. For now the FAA doesn't consider you crew. The aviation company doesn't consider you crew. You are a passenger who can help out the crew. Just like when I sit in an exit row on an airplane. 

Look in FAR Part 135. Where does it say you are crew?

See FAR 1.1

FAR Part 135.241. So once again a passenger should not be trying to claim to be something you are not. 

Really?  FAR part 135.241. 

So under part 1 I am a corporation or company because I am a person as defined?

Why does it bother you so much that they are passengers?

A passenger does not have an assigned duty on the aircraft.  

You are way out of your lane. This was covered. Flight attendants are covered in part 120 so not even relevant to 135. Every crew member can show what authorizes them to be a crew member besides part 1. So I ask again what part authorizes medical personnel to be crew?  

Defines flight attendant. 

If the certificate holder assigned the medical person to a duty aboard the aircraft in flight, according to the following FAA intpretation, they are in fact, crewmembers!

https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/agc/practice_areas/regulations/interpretations/Data/interps/1990/Rowhuff-National%20EMS%20Pilots%20Association_1990_Legal_Interpretation.pdf

Answer to Question #1 of Example #2,: The answer to your question depends on whether the medical personnel are crewmembers or passengers during that flight. Part 1.1 of the FAR defines a crewmember as "[A] person assigned to perform duty in an aircraft during flight time. Therefore, before medical personnel can be classified as crewmembers, they must be assigned a duty by the certificate holder and that duty must be in an aircraft during flight time. Whether the medical personnel are assigned duty by the certificate holder and whether that duty is in an aircraft during flight time must be determined from the specific facts. Your letter does not provide those specific facts. However, if the medical personnel are not crewmembers according to the definition of Part 1.1 of the FAR, they would be passengers, and the flight must be conducted under Part 135 of the FAR if the certificate holder is receiving any compensation or benefit from the carriage.

Nice letter from the 90s but look up the "current" definition of HAA FAR part 135.601. Medical Personnel. 

Advisory Circular AC135-14B, Paragraph 1-6, subparagraph dd: (2015) 

Medical Crewmembers. Also referred to as medical flight personnel, as opposed to flightcrew members. A medical crewmember (medical personnel) is an individual with medical training, carried aboard a HAA during flights or flight segments. Crewmembers typically include: flight nurses, paramedics, respiratory specialists, neonatal specialist and other medically-trained specialists. (Refer to § 135.601(b)(2).)

FAA OPSPEC A002, FAA Notice N8900.216, Appendix A, Terms and Definitions:

Medical Crewmember:  A person with medical training who is assigned to provide medical care and other crewmember duties related to the aviation operation during flight.

8900.1,Vol.4,Ch7,Sec4_SAS, Night Vision Imaging Systems, Safety Assurance System (7/8/19)

4-1128 CERTIFICATION PROCESS.

B. 4), d), 1.

Modules within the airman-specific segment include, appropriate to the
crewmember position (e.g., pilot or medical crewmember):
•Introduction to NVGs,
•Limitations/emergency procedures,
•NVG aeromedical consideration/aviation physiology (including visual
illusions),

FAA Order IR 3900.74, Aircraft Certification Service (AIR) Bloodborne Pathogens (BBP) Program Occupational Safety and Health (OSH) (2018)

Chapter 3, Chapter 3. Bloodborne Pathogens Program Requirements:

5.B.(7) ... Additionally, items such as night vision goggles (NVG), oxygen bottles, or stretchers which may be subject to inspection by AIR employees, could be touched by a gloved medical crewmember during the transport of a patient with an infectious disease and inadvertently never get decontaminated. ... Check with the pilot in command (PIC) or medical crewmember for a safety briefing before entering the air ambulance site. ...

FAR Part 120 covers flight attendants. Part 135 covers medical personnel. Once again flight attendants are crew medical personnel are passengers. Just like the patient is a passenger. 

Flight attendants

Medical personnel

Pilots

All are crewmembers!   

Pilots are further defined as FLIGHTCREW MEMBERS.   

Flight attendants and medical personnel are simply CREWMEMBERS!

OPSPECs

A002 Definitions and Abbreviations

Medical Crewmember:  A person with medical training who is assigned to provide medical care and other crewmembrer duties related to the aviation operation during flight

Who cares just do your job. 

"Crew member" or "medical crewmember" not mentioned in subpart E or F of 14 CFR part 120...

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/120.105

And since "crewmember" or "medical crewmember" are not listed in 14 CFR part 120 Subpart E or F, they are not subject to testing requirements of 14 CFR part 120.

FAR's do not define these positions as "flight attendants"...

And required crew members are not referenced.. only "flight crew members"..

by supplement to act for the safety of the aircraft, is to put them on a certificate holder's drug and alcohol program!   Otherwise, they come to work, intoxicated, hide in the bedroom, and sleep it off, as has been seen many times over and over.   But, because they are not employees of the certificate holder in many cases, they are putting the certificate holder at huge risk because they are insulated.

They are crewmembers, on a Part 135 aircraft, obligated under 91.17, and the certificate holder (and FAA) should consider them in the same vein as a flight attendant, since they perform just about all the same duties as a flight attendant in the back of the aircraft isolated from the pilot station by curtains and physical barriers.

That was the point of this whole excercise above.   They are crewmembers working for the certificate holder who should have them on the certificate holders random drug testing program, whether a direct employee or not!

in GOM's. It is not a FAR. Now you're going to say the GOM is regulatory, which is true, but the FAR's don't require it. Med crew are passengers.

Each employee</a>, including any assistant, helper, or individual in a training status, who  performs</a> a  safety-sensitive function listed in this section directly or by contract (including by subcontract at any tier) for an employer as defined in this subpart must be subject to drug testing under a drug testing program implemented in accordance with this subpart. This includes full-time, part-time, temporary, and intermittent employees regardless of the degree of supervision. The  safety-sensitive functions are:

(a) Flight crewmember duties.

(b) Flight attendant duties.

(c) Flight instruction duties.

(d) Aircraft</a> dispatcher duties.

(e) Aircraft</a> maintenance and preventive maintenance duties.

(f) Ground security coordinator duties.

(g) Aviation screening duties.

(h) Air traffic control duties.

(i) Operations control specialist duties.

From FAR 1:

Flightcrew member means a pilot, flight engineer, or flight navigator assigned to duty in an aircraft during flight time.