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Msg ID: 2762642 429 - If it had the MGW Increase +8/-0     
Author:---
1/21/2023 10:27:37 PM

Thoughts on if the 429 had the MGW increase in the USA, would it had dominated the market? 



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Msg ID: 2762645 429 - If it had the MGW Increase (NT) +0/-0     
Author:Yes
1/22/2023 1:39:10 AM

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Msg ID: 2762647 429 - If it had the MGW Increase +2/-1     
Author:Haha
1/22/2023 4:54:36 AM

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It would have given it and an unfair advantage


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Msg ID: 2762652 429 - If it had the MGW Increase +0/-1     
Author:OP
1/22/2023 9:12:04 AM

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I flew it one time having flown the 135 for almost a decade. Powerful machine. 



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Msg ID: 2762663 429 - If it had the MGW Increase +8/-0     
Author:From below
1/22/2023 11:15:32 AM

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Just my take as a wrench, I maintained Bell, Airbus, Sikorsky, and Leonardo. I sum it up like this:

Airbus: over engineered and somewhat-  plastic like (135 needs fortifying in a lot of ways) The control over the aftermarket tooling is greater than Bell, and tools can be more complex to some degree. It appears well recieved by the market, as they dominate sales.

Bell: parts shelf built helicopters. Much of the tooling is allowed to be aftermarket and can vary greatly in quality due to lack of quality and control, thus can affect it's quality of the job done. Cheap for operators to use the 206 and 407. Bell unfortunately seems to be slipping out of the market and known as the economy option. Overall a lack of assertiveness to make their machines top choice. One must ask, how long do you roll a model T Ford in today's travel industry?

Sikorsky: (speaking from a 76 point of view) what a built machine! But then again, these guys invented the helicopter, while the Europeans once again try to refine things. Tools tend to be controlled and offer little for aftermarkets to get ahold of (Not many aircraft on civilian market as Bell or others) In a size comparison, it's build like a tank. Ofcourse, A models were not so great.

Leonardo: An honest attempt but not quite there yet, perhaps too new to be tried and true. Tools seem to be controlled so quality is not so all over the place. It seems to have taken the place of the S-76 and it does have PT-6's, which I am a fan of. 


just me though. Everybody has their bias



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Msg ID: 2762666 429 - If it had the MGW Increase +0/-0     
Author:why are you calling parts
1/22/2023 12:20:17 PM

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tools. 



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Msg ID: 2762689 429 - If it had the MGW Increase +1/-1     
Author:Because as a mechanic
1/22/2023 5:28:57 PM

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you need tools to do the work and change the parts?



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Msg ID: 2762708 429 - If it had the MGW Increase +0/-0     
Author:uh
1/22/2023 7:00:42 PM

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say wut 



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Msg ID: 2762731 if +1/-0     
Author:If.....
1/22/2023 10:22:29 PM

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It would compete much better with the EC135. I laugh at the EMS programs claiming IFR capability with it.  You can fly IFR in an EMS 429 from about one end of the street to the other.  You would have thought Bell would have learned from the 210 and 427.  



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Msg ID: 2762750 You know what time it is?? +0/-1     
Author:Truck
1/22/2023 11:47:04 PM

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Yes, It's time for tacos. A nice gwok spread over carne asada. That's business. Eat tacos, be happy.



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