Msg ID:
2757890 |
Military 2 Civ Resumes +19/-18
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Author:Advice
12/30/2022 4:30:22 PM
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Here's a tip fellas coming from a CP of a large operator. 15 years in military on resume. Left with 1100 hrs. Resume is 4 pages long of stuff that is irrelevant to us operating in the fire world. called fella in for interview cause he was local and persistent, so thought I'd give him a go.
1) leave all your military crap at the door, and don't speak of it unless asked
2) 5 hours of hauling cargo in a 25 ft line doesn't count as VR / LL time
3) Yes, the helicopter has limits
4) please go out the way you came in
out of 35+ military resumes I've gotten over past 3 years I think only 2 made it past the interview and only 1 could hack it.
Civ operations are not military, get that in your head. |
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Msg ID:
2757891 |
Military 2 Civ Resumes +4/-1
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Author:sounds like a nice
12/30/2022 4:36:48 PM
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place to work |
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Msg ID:
2757895 |
Military 2 Civ Resumes +8/-10
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Author:Utility guy
12/30/2022 6:04:08 PM
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Hmm…. In 25 years in fire/ power line I’ve only know a few ex mil. I always knew why blow hard mils didn’t work out nice to see a CP. put it in written form.
Fear not Millys HEMS loves marginals and excuse makers. |
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Msg ID:
2757897 |
Military 2 Civ Resumes +6/-4
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Author:Relevant
12/30/2022 6:19:30 PM
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1100 hours in 15 years is the same as just out of flight school although hopefully with a lot more maturity.
Look at what the past chair of HAI, the lady, has to say about transitioning to civil ops. Emphasis CIVIL. As significant as mil experience is, at this point, it's history, be thankful and proud, and move on, there are a lot of cool experiences ahead. It is an adventure.
Primarily you get to be who you are, a helicopter pilot, not a soldier in the realm.
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Msg ID:
2757900 |
Military 2 Civ Resumes +7/-6
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Author:Nah
12/30/2022 6:26:40 PM
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Another Fire & Utility CP here. 100% agree, and will add:
- We don't care that you were in charge of $x million of equipment or x amount of people. We only care about the aircraft we put you in to fly, and your mechanics/drivers/firefighters.
- We do not care how many war zones you were in.
- It is NOT a mission, you do NOT have to do what the customer wants if it is unsafe or may put extra stress on our aircraft. I want you to learn to say no.
- Yes sometimes our customers tactics may seem stupid, but they are paying, and as long as you abide by #2, just do it without causing a scene, smile and wave as they say in Madagascar.
- There are pilots on fires who have been doing this a LONG time. When you first get out there, watch, listen, keep your head on a swivel, keep your mounth shut, and learn.
- Many of our firefighting "brothers" on the ground are highly educated hippies/alt lifestyle/anti-war/liberals.... learn to accept them for who they are. You might learn something.
If you can make it through the interview, training, and actually get to work in utility, it can be extrememly rewarding both personally and financially. Good luck.
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Msg ID:
2757903 |
Military 2 Civ Resumes +8/-5
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Author:Hmmm
12/30/2022 6:54:03 PM
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Gee the OP forgot to say thank you for living through a war of any kind flying. I guess the question is, what did you do in the war?
civ-mil-civ |
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Msg ID:
2758010 |
Military 2 Civ Resumes +3/-1
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Author:Please
1/1/2023 4:56:25 PM
Reply to: 2757903
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The subject is thinking as a mil pilot in a civil environment. They're chalk and cheese. Take it for granted and mov forward. As a mil pilot the payment is having had the chance to look yourself in a mirror and realize you did good. So, have a look then do the mil-civ transition and get on with it.
If you require others to accord you any recognition you're kidding yourself. Just ask a Vietnam vet. |
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Msg ID:
2758023 |
Military 2 Civ Resumes +0/-1
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Author:Get
1/1/2023 7:24:27 PM
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over yourself. No need to develop mental problems with stagnating on the past. |
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Msg ID:
2758132 |
Military 2 Civ Resumes +1/-2
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Author:JLM
1/3/2023 1:49:59 PM
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Bottom line is that is doesn't matter what you did in the "war". Nobody cares. |
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Msg ID:
2757905 |
Military 2 Civ Resumes +7/-5
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Author:AS If
12/30/2022 7:13:30 PM
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Geez, flying a fire is not that difficult, a CP worth his weight woudn't be on this rookie website. Trolls abound. |
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Msg ID:
2757904 |
Military 2 Civ Resumes +4/-2
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Author:Funny you don't sound like a CP
12/30/2022 7:05:34 PM
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Big operator. BS |
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Msg ID:
2757919 |
Military 2 Civ Resumes +8/-2
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Author:Doesn’t even sound like a pilot
12/30/2022 9:32:47 PM
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Sounds like bs |
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Msg ID:
2757926 |
Military 2 Civ Resumes +16/-3
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Author::-)
12/30/2022 10:41:07 PM
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Whatever. Here's a better tip. Speaking as a prior military pilot, don't let posts like this intimidate you. It's not hard to demilitarize a resume. A few tips for ya: 1.) All the civilian world generally wants to see are HOURS, QUALS (ratings), Applicable Education, Applicable Experience. I was over twenty years, was highly qualified, and served in many different jobs. But at the end, I was still able to fit the APPLICABLE stuff on ONE page. 2.) Some types of flight time are the same. Some are not (more on this later). Take some time to learn how they correlate so you don't either shortchange yourself or worse, get to the hiring stage and embarrass yourself in a logbook review. 3.)Tailor your resume to the job description. If it's for a position flying in the Gulf, they probably don't care that you have a million hours of NVG time. If it's for HEMS, then yeah-absolutely not it. PLEASE, IN THE NAME OF ALL THAT IS HOLY, DON'T put the words "combat time" anywhere on a resume or app. It,'s not the flex you think it is, and it makes us all look stupid. 4.) Best piece of advice I can give you is to sit down with a friend who's successfully transitioned into civilian flying, preferably one at the company where you're applying. Buy them beer, and have them go over your resume with you. Heli-Success Military Transition Workshop (if they still do it) is a great thing to attend as well. Best of luck.
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Msg ID:
2757931 |
Military 2 Civ Resumes +2/-2
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Author:Great advice!.
12/31/2022 12:45:39 AM
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Great stuff here, I would pass on use a cover letter and tell me how your experience will transition over to what we need. Being a veteran myself I went through the struggles of the transition to civilian aviation too. The reality is no one cares how.many people you supervised or how much the machinery you flew or worked on was worth, tell me how your experience will translate into filling the position we have open you want too fill. |
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Msg ID:
2757932 |
Military 2 Civ Resumes +1/-1
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Author:I used to
12/31/2022 5:19:37 AM
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bullseye womp rats in my t-16 back home |
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Msg ID:
2757933 |
Military 2 Civ Resumes +8/-1
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Author:EMS Transition
12/31/2022 7:57:49 AM
Reply to: 2757932
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If you become a HEMS pilot, all the Med Crew cares about is how often you wash the helicopter and your landings. They need a clean bird for facebook pics and one too many kangaroo landings and you will be out of there. Be humble. |
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Msg ID:
2757937 |
Military 2 Civ Resumes +0/-1
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Author:How True
12/31/2022 9:43:58 AM
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LOL!! |
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Msg ID:
2757969 |
Military 2 Civ Resumes +0/-0
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Author:CivDO
12/31/2022 9:07:06 PM
Reply to: 2757926
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Here is a the way I have tried to explain to transitioning military pilots.
If I were to show up in your world and be asked to perform the missions you do I would be completely lost. I have no idea how to fly formation, air assault landings, NVG ops (as you may have noticed I don't even know the correct terminology you use to describe what you do). However I have a basic understanding of how to fly a helicopter and if I listen closely, work hard, and am willing to learn it is very likely that at some point I will be able to fly the mission at least at the median performance level required to "get the job done".
All I ask in return when you come to the world I'm familiar with is give me the same courtesy and I guarantee you will be able to perform at the median performance level. Unfortunately in my experience that is difficult for a majority ot military pilots to actually do that. Not making a judgement just passing along my observations. |
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Msg ID:
2757935 |
Military 2 Civ Resumes +10/-0
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Author:Resume help
12/31/2022 8:44:45 AM
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As the guys that does the hiring here, its really simple. On page one, list your time broken out in the same catagories as in the job description/posting. TT, RW time, Night, Aid, Actual, etc.. whatever they are requring. List what sort of mission you did and how recently you were in a flying capacity (Medevac, SAR, IP, etc) That's what we are looking for to get you in the door. We love hiring vets. |
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Msg ID:
2757953 |
Military 2 Civ Resumes +4/-3
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Author:Just me
12/31/2022 1:52:48 PM
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Here's a tip. 1 out of 35 might indicate you have a chip on your shoulder against military pilots, like many others in the industry have. |
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Msg ID:
2757963 |
Military 2 Civ Resumes +0/-7
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Author:tyfys
12/31/2022 3:51:05 PM
Reply to: 2757953
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Very true. The restaurant industry in particular is very hostile to military pilots. What are you talking about. |
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Msg ID:
2757965 |
Military 2 Civ Resumes +3/-1
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Author:I hate that
12/31/2022 4:58:11 PM
Reply to: 2757953
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It's not our fault so many civ pilots can't qualify for military aviation. It's just not right for those guys dis us. |
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Msg ID:
2757955 |
Military 2 Civ Resumes +1/-4
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Author:Pavil
12/31/2022 2:10:40 PM
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Go bust a TFR and you can so you can explain this to them in person. |
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Msg ID:
2757967 |
pretty weak troll...hope you fly better (NT) +1/-2
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Author:than you lie.
12/31/2022 5:49:21 PM
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