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Msg ID: 2755965 Pilot shortage cure: Airlines lobbying for one pilot in cockpit +2/-2     
Author:C'mon now.
12/10/2022 4:21:34 PM

Always trying to find ways to save money in aviation operations, airlines have been lobbying the FAA to change regulations from two pilots to one in the cockpit.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/one-pilot-in-cockpit-staffing-shortage-faa-part-121/



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Msg ID: 2755969 Pilot shortage cure: Airlines lobbying for one pilot in cockpit +9/-1     
Author:Random Guy
12/10/2022 7:59:26 PM

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The airline pilots uniions are going to fight as much as possbile to prevent this, as will consumer groups.  I doubt this will happen short term, as there is plenty of evidence to show that this is a bad idea.  Long term, anything is possible given that human idiocy is limitless.



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Msg ID: 2755970 Pilot shortage cure: Airlines lobbying for one pilot in cockpit +4/-1     
Author:It just won’t happen
12/10/2022 8:08:50 PM

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There is no possible way



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Msg ID: 2755972 Pilot shortage cure: Airlines lobbying for one pilot in cockpit +1/-2     
Author:railroad
12/10/2022 8:13:53 PM

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freight trains had 7 crew not long ago. freight  airlines will get 1 pilot crews soon...if all goes well you know the rest



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Msg ID: 2755976 Pilot shortage cure: Airlines lobbying for one pilot in cockpit +0/-1     
Author:no
12/10/2022 9:13:38 PM

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7 not long ago? lol



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Msg ID: 2755975 Pilot shortage cure: Airlines lobbying for one pilot in cockpit +7/-1     
Author:They gonna get rid of all of you
12/10/2022 9:02:41 PM

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And replace you with a chimp.

 




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Msg ID: 2755978 Sooner than you think +0/-1     
Author:Anonymous
12/10/2022 10:09:11 PM

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Industry is already ready to field them for certain situations this next year or two:

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/air-transport/2022-07-13/digital-copilot-approach-cuts-pilot-workload-say-oems

The military has been working towards this for years and is not far off from a viable R2D2.  Autonomous aircraft are already a reality; that's nothing new, but a compatible single pilot assistant is what's being pushed.  

https://www.military.com/dodbuzz/2019/03/14/r2-d2-cockpit-air-force-testing-skyborg-ai-program.html

 

 



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Msg ID: 2755982 Sooner than you think +2/-5     
Author:Never
12/11/2022 12:03:44 AM

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going to happen. never as in never ever



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Msg ID: 2756023 Sooner than you think +0/-1     
Author:Orville
12/11/2022 1:49:30 PM

Reply to: 2755982

I think I saw a newspaper clip that read something like you about flying machines sometime around 1902.



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Msg ID: 2756060 Pilot shortage cure: Airlines lobbying for one pilot in cockpit +0/-1     
Author:could you cite some evidence?
12/12/2022 9:05:22 AM

Reply to: 2755969

You note that "there is plenty of evidence." Could you cite a study that shows this is the case? Or are you just bloviating?

 



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Msg ID: 2755984 Pilot shortage cure: Airlines lobbying for one pilot in cockpit +1/-2     
Author:Aaaaaand
12/11/2022 1:22:08 AM

Reply to: 2755965

another freak show emerges from team 46!



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Msg ID: 2756026 Pilot shortage cure: Airlines lobbying for one pilot in cockpit +0/-2     
Author:Anonymous
12/11/2022 2:00:59 PM

Reply to: 2755965

there is no pilot shortage. there are just a lot of bullsh*t jobs that don't really have to be done. so nobody carea if those seats go unfilled. government says gotta be two on an airliner and that costs the bosses money that could be used for that third yacht they been a-wantin'. so one up front and wall-e doin' the actual drivin' be gon' happen son's they kin git it wired up and the paid reg-a-lators kin write the rulebook on it. bet. 



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Msg ID: 2756032 Pilot shortage cure: Airlines lobbying for one pilot in cockpit +0/-1     
Author:don’t know about that
12/11/2022 4:05:49 PM

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forty large sign on bonuses and premium paid for ot. somebody wants those slots filled bro



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Msg ID: 2756027 Pilot shortage cure: Airlines lobbying for one pilot in cockpit +0/-1     
Author:makes sense...
12/11/2022 2:29:23 PM

Reply to: 2755965

according to the morons on JH, we'll be going to 0 pilots real soon.



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Msg ID: 2756055 Pilot shortage cure: Airlines lobbying for one pilot in cockpit +2/-2     
Author:Never going to happen
12/12/2022 8:30:08 AM

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How can anyone believe that they could move to one pilot? That is as ridiculous as saying they could get rid of the navigator. People will just not stand for it. 



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Msg ID: 2756063 Pilot shortage cure: Airlines lobbying for one pilot in cockpit +0/-1     
Author:Ever notice
12/12/2022 9:40:40 AM

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how aircraft are full of redundancies and backups. a plane full of people will never have just one pilot. automation cannot replace one pilot when you only have one to start with. certain functions can be replaced by automation but not all of them



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Msg ID: 2756134 Reality check +0/-1     
Author:An Army Guy
12/12/2022 6:08:03 PM

Reply to: 2756063

You all do realize that before the pandemic (when airline pilots were more current) the majority of landings done on any wide-body airliner (for those of you that could afford to fly overseas... I know, most of you helicopter guys can't) that they were almost COMPLETLY automated landings to touchdown?  

Made friends with a long-time United captain who came on ADOS orders while I was still active duty in 2008 and he said it's in their SOP/GOM that the pilot flying is not allowed to take the controls unless something falls out of parameter.  He said's it's been that way since the 90's.    

Planes have been landing themselves without pilots for a while folks.  And better than most pilots at that...  

 

 



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Msg ID: 2756140 Reality check +0/-0     
Author:dumbest post
12/12/2022 6:51:43 PM

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in a while



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Msg ID: 2756141 Reality check +0/-0     
Author:oldNtired
12/12/2022 7:07:04 PM

Reply to: 2756140

Old industry joke:  Pilot writes up in aircraft log :  Aircraft lands hard in autoland mode! 

                            Mechanic logs fix in aircraft log :  This aircraft not equipped with autoland .  



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Msg ID: 2756144 Reality check +0/-0     
Author:Haha
12/12/2022 7:46:34 PM

Reply to: 2756141
That one gave me a laugh. 😂


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Msg ID: 2756148 Airplanes land themselves? +0/-0     
Author:Anonymous
12/12/2022 8:47:21 PM

Reply to: 2756144

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0OJ-rPDXNs

For you non-instrument types here's a good explanation too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwbTq_4-jGg

 



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Msg ID: 2756149 A320 can do it actually +0/-0     
Author:An Army Guy
12/12/2022 8:52:18 PM

Reply to: 2756134

I stand corrected, it's not just wide-boy aircraft that do it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyvazVbPiE0

Of course there are plenty of other "auto-land" capable out there too (helicopter and airplane).  Was just making the point that passenger aircraft have been doing "auto-landing" with no pilot flying the aircraft for many years.

Old news



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Msg ID: 2756152 737 autoland? No way +0/-0     
Author:Anonymous
12/12/2022 9:01:15 PM

Reply to: 2755965

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxpUb3ckptw

 



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Msg ID: 2756153 737 autoland? No way +0/-0     
Author:Anonymous
12/12/2022 9:04:51 PM

Reply to: 2756152

Small, piston GA aircraft can do it now (been able for about 3-4 years now)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-ruFmgTpqA

 



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Msg ID: 2756517 737 autoland? No way +1/-0     
Author:Autoland
12/17/2022 6:47:55 PM

Reply to: 2756153

started 54 years ago.



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Msg ID: 2756611 737 autoland? No way +1/-0     
Author:Sud
12/18/2022 9:34:28 PM

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Avn Caravelle then BAE Trident.....



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Msg ID: 2756154 Unmanned aircraft have been around since Vietnam +0/-0     
Author:An Army Guy
12/12/2022 9:16:04 PM

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It's taken a while for it to become reliable, but most people have no idea that we had unmanned jet drones in Vietnam: Developed before the war in 1960.  They brought back recon footage (and were used as part of the Son Tay helicopter raid)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egd4gSoZb4Q

I saw a helicopter drone from Vietnam in a museum... found footage of it here.  1967 (and yet we still use 2 pilots in the Army):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdkquNxxp2o

We've been perfecting it for many years...



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Msg ID: 2756166 Unmanned aircraft have been around since Vietnam +1/-0     
Author:Two
12/13/2022 3:49:58 AM

Reply to: 2756154

pilots is great insurance as long as they work together.



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Msg ID: 2756612 Unmanned aircraft have been around since Vietnam +0/-0     
Author:The
12/18/2022 9:37:13 PM

Reply to: 2756154

military used a lot of them in SEA.



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Msg ID: 2756156 It's actually true: realistic lobbying for single pilot airline ops +0/-0     
Author:Airplane Andrew
12/12/2022 9:34:42 PM

Reply to: 2755965

Here's a full discussion about the issue:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uafWhCv-Xd4

Most large commercial jets can already land themselves so if the pilot becomes incapacitated, guess what... it just lands itself.  The flight attendant just hits the "autoland" button like in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiGkzgfR_c0

Aircraft will automatically change squawk to 7700, chooses safest MSA, safest routing based on XM weather, then executes full instrument approach to touchdown.  Does all flap settings and landing gear at correct Vmin's.  Probably better than most pilots.

Won't take much to give regional jets/props this type of ability.  Would save them WAY more money to install these types of systems once vs years of whiney pilots asking for more money and less work.  



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Msg ID: 2756158 It's actually true: realistic lobbying for single pilot airline ops +0/-0     
Author:so why doesn't the pilot
12/12/2022 9:44:23 PM

Reply to: 2756156

hit the auto land button instead of the flight attendant lol



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Msg ID: 2756159 Less mistakes possibly? +0/-0     
Author:Anonymous
12/12/2022 10:15:13 PM

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Civilian and military pilots landing at wrong airports:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_t0dBZTYR4g

Pilots falling asleep:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBlvkK8saLU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMMzt04hirQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ki9RK_JDtIg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZMWUg22Lyw (5 different sets in this one)

Gear up landings?  Overshooting runway?  Undershooting runway?  There's way more risk with human flight. 

An automated flight will probably be better than our current situation!



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Msg ID: 2756160 Less mistakes possibly? +0/-0     
Author:you have nothing to compare
12/12/2022 10:17:55 PM

Reply to: 2756159

it to. machines fail too. that's one reason why there's two pilots up front bro



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Msg ID: 2756161 Autonomous Army future +0/-0     
Author:An Army Guy
12/12/2022 10:20:18 PM

Reply to: 2756159

As much as I don't like it, the V-280 was designed to be autonomous:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gSCIosIU6I

 



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Msg ID: 2756163 Autonomous Army future +0/-1     
Author:design it however you want
12/12/2022 11:02:38 PM

Reply to: 2756161

doesn't mean it's going to happen bro



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Msg ID: 2756162 Less mistakes possibly? +1/-0     
Author:when
12/12/2022 10:40:33 PM

Reply to: 2756159

Teslas quit driving under trucks we can talk.

Baby steps.



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Msg ID: 2756215 Pilot shortage cure: Airlines lobbying for one pilot in cockpit +0/-0     
Author:cheap
12/13/2022 3:18:50 PM

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Don't some EMS companies fly single pilot IFR? If it works for them a 737 ought to be legal for the same thing.



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